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Protest in NY City Part II

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Yes, Let's keep on rolling. Anti_monarqi, your turn please.

nemesis
Aug 23, 2005 6:54 AM · 67,284 views
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Nepe Aug 30, 2005 1:21 PM
What question from PSCji is left, Nemesis ? I have aswered to each and every quetion PSC raised, from chances of the Maoists to surrender to the King to the continuing the Golden History of Shah Kings as a reason to save the monarchy.
BathroomCoffee Aug 30, 2005 1:30 PM
Nepe, Diplomacy Chilomacy...he he You are like the king of Ducking bullets. phuuuun phuuun. Key Question ...what questions hoina ta LAAAZ NABHAYEKO BHUSHYA KUKUR !! Next thing you know he will be saying REPUBLIC REY ?????? What REPUBLIC KEYKO REPUBLIC NI ? he he Mailey Bhaneeko nai CHAINA....he he heh ! LIAR LIAR
Mercury Aug 30, 2005 1:33 PM
Good points highfly, "1. Monarchy will never give up throne without a bloodbath. 2. Maoists if they compromise with poltical parties and fight to bring republic. There will be communism. SO WHERE IS THE DEMOCRATIC FORCE WHO IS GONNA DEFEAT BOTH COMMUNISTS AND MONARCHY?? WHAT ABOUT THE COLAPSE OF MONARCHY AND RISE OF MAOISM?? " We all should beware of these facts !
PSC Aug 30, 2005 2:46 PM
Nepe - You did try to give answer to some of my questions and some of your thoughts against Maoist are convincing. However, Some of my questions are still unanswered or haven't got convincing answers, which are- 1) Do you think Maoists will easily agree to your kind of republicanism while they are fighting for their kind of republicanism? You have to keep in mind that Maoist raised arms while democartic forces running the country. 2) Which one you prefer given the choice - constitutional monarchy or Maoists kind of republicanism - as these are basically two choices. Your kind of republicansim will neither people nor Maoists will accept. If you think your kind of republicanism is still possible then that is no more than "day dreaming" in present context. Maoist will once gain foothold they will kick the political parties out. Main threats for Maoist are Monarchy and RNA. Maoist can easily take on political parties. 3) What are the outcomes do you expect out of "negative appraoch" of protesting the King in NY while there are positive awys of expressing grievances? 4) You made a joke of "golden history of Shaha Dynasty". Have you ever thought of unified Nepal without their able leadership? Do you think Nepal would have pride and glory of an independent Country (never being under any colonial power) without their contribution? Ofcourse, brave nepali people fought for this but under the leadership of Shaha monarchy. Even personality like BP, PLS, BRB etc have acknowledged this fact. Otherwise, we would have part of one of the State of India (West Bengal, Bihar or UP) not even a state!!! We must not forget our history. Even if you honestly analyze the political development from 2007 to 2017, and 2047 to 2058 you will get answer why the King had to take a bold step. Obviously such steps are unpopular to and not welcomed by those who are real players (culprits) of those era. 5) Just criticizing blindly for the sake of doing so will not serve any purpose. The protest you guys are organizing might help corrupt leaders but it will not help in any case to ordinary people of Nepal. You might impress organization like AI, HRW, ICG, ICJ etc but it will not impress peace loving people back in Nepal. 6) Step by Step and gradual change is what is required for smooth transition. The result of Maoist insurgency is that they hastily wanted to achieve their ultimate goal that is why Nepal had to bare so much destruction of lives and national properties.
Turbulence Aug 30, 2005 3:34 PM
Guys, I will be there to through rotten eggs on Gyneko Taukoma! He is treating Nepali People as people of medieval age. Did you guys see his recent interview, I found he is not even suitable for VDC chairman, desh chalauchhu bhanchha...Ch*kama ghocho unera lakhatnu parchha yeslai.
Nepe Aug 30, 2005 5:36 PM
PSCji wrote: >1) Do you think Maoists will easily agree to your kind of republicanism >while they are fighting for their kind of republicanism? As I have repeated for umpteenth time, The chances that the Maoists will agree to disarm for a Democratic republic = 99% The chances that the Maoists will agree to disarm for C. Monarchy = 1% So, yes, in terms of LIKELIHOOD, the answer to your question is YES. *** *** *** >2) . . . . If you think your kind of republicanism is still possible then >that is no more than "day dreaming" in present context. Let's see what kind of daydreaming it is. Support to a democratic republic: NC: very close to YES UML: YES (just last week) Civil society: Majority YES (and growing) The Maoists: YES YES YES Diaspora: Majority YES (check out data on rallies) International community: We don't mind. RNA: If and when the King flees, we will side with the parties (common sense) Daydreaming ? Of course, because we are awakening for good. *** *** *** >4) . . . Shah dynasty. . . Have you ever thought of unified >Nepal without their able leadership? This is funny. Do you think we (the land and people) would have been perished ? We would still be here and be proud of whatever coarse the history had taken. Do you think, had our history been different, you and I would be grieving today ? If not, what's the logic of rewarding Paras Shah for him being one with the surname Shah ? *** *** *** >5) The protest you guys are organizing might help corrupt leaders Quite the contrary. The protest will help leaders like Narahari Acharya. Support for the status quo (of now or pre-2005 or pre-2002) is, in fact, which will help corrupt leaders and the palace. *** *** *** >6) Step by Step and gradual change is what is >required for smooth transition. As it is the case, we've gone through exactly what you described. It's been 55 years since 2007 saal and we have walked all the steps (including going back to check what if) towards more democracy. It's about time for a complete democracy. It's about time. Gyanendra can not and should not stop it. Nepe
usofa Aug 30, 2005 6:06 PM
[ यो समाचार न्युयोर्कबाट मेरो संसारका लागि प्राप्त भएको हो] राजाको न्युयोर्क आगमन जति जति नजिकै जाँदै छ त्यति त्यति नै न्युयोर्क तथा डीसीमा बस्ने राजावादीलाई मान्छेहरु कसरी स्वागतका लागि भेला गर्ने भनेर हम्मेहम्मे भएको छ। त्यतिमात्र हैन, राजाको स्वागतका लागि भनेर १ सय ५२ सदस्यीय टोली गठन गर्ने भनेर कस्सिएकाहरुले ५० को संख्यामा पनि नाम पुर्?याउन सकेका छैनन्। बाँकी न्युयोर्कका शेर्पाहरु लाक्पा रेन्जी, उर्गेन शेर्पा, छेवाङ शेर्पा लगायतका केही व्यक्तिहरु निक्कै हौसिएर लागेका छन्। त्यसो त न्युयोर्कका नेत्रलाल श्रेष्ठ, श्रीप्रसाद पराजुली, एमालेको अनुशासन कारवाहीमा परेर अमेरिका हानिएका युवराज गुरुङ छन् भने डीसीमा रहेका पञ्च दीलनाथ गिरीको नाम संयोजकमा राख्न खोजिएकोमा शेर्पाहरुले विरोध जनाएका छन्। तिब्बतियनहरुलाई भेला गरेर राजाको स्वागतका लागि भीड जम्मा गर्न लागि पर्ने हामी संयोजक बन्ने बेलामा भने गिरीहरुको नाम त्यो हुनै सक्दैन भनेर न्युयोर्कका शेर्पाहरुले विरोध जनाएका छन्। ज्ञानेन्द्रको नजिक हुने कुरामा पछि पो परिने हो कि भन्दै डीसीमा रहेका राजावादीहरु दिलनाथ गिरी तथा गोविन्द गिरीहरु अगस्ट २८ तारिख हानिएर न्युयोर्क पुगेर आफ्नो उपस्थिति जनाएका छन्। अमेरिकामा राजालाई के आधारमा स्वागत गर्ने भनेर अलमलमा परेका राजावादीहरुले हिन्दू महासंघका तर्फबाट स्वागत गर्नका लागि भरत केशरीहरुले हाल अमेरिकामा आफ्नो छोरा भेट्न आइपुगेका विश्व हिन्दू परिषद्का सदस्य गोपालकृष्ण खरेललाई राजाको स्वागतार्थ लागि अर्?हाएका भए पनि खरेल अमेरिकामा राजाका लागि आफूले राजालाई फकाएर प्रजातन्त्र फिर्ता देऊ मात्र भन्न सक्ने तर आफू अमेरिकामा घुम्न आएकाले अरु केही गर्न नसक्ने भन्दै पन्छिन खोजेका छन्। डीसी क्षेत्रका हिन्दू महासंघसँग आफूलाई सम्लग्न बताउने अध्यक्ष अच्युत श्रेष्ठलाई खोजी गरिएको भए पनि श्रेष्ठ विगत चार पाँच महिनादेखि नेपालमै भएकाले त्यसका लागि समेत उनीहरुले मान्छे पाउन सकेका छैनन्। त्यसो त त्यही मौका पारेर केही भरतकेशरीका समुहहरु शान्तिको कलश बोकेर न्युयोर्क पनि उपस्थिति हुने भएका छन्। त्यतिमात्र हैन न्युयोर्कमा राजाको लागि स्वस्ती शान्ति पाठका लागि डीसीस्थित पशुपति बुद्ध मन्दिरका पुजारीलाई आग्रह गरिएको भए पनि उनले आफू न्युयोर्क जान नपाउने जानकारी दिएका छन्। उता स्वागतार्थ खटिएका शेर्पाहरुले भने यो राजाको विरोध गर्नेहरु भनेका सबै बाहुन क्षेत्री र पहाडेहरुमात्र हुन् त्यसैले हामी शेर्पाहरुले राजाको र्समर्थन गर्नुपर्छ भन्दै सोझा साझा तिब्वतीयनलाई मात्र हैन न्युयोर्कमा रहेका भूटानी शरणार्थीहरुलाई पनि राजाको स्वागतका लागि आमन्त्रण गर्न पुगेका छन्। ती भूटानीहरुले राजाको स्वागत गर्ने कुरा हामीसित नगर हामी त्रि्रा राजालाई कालो झण्डाले भने स्वागत गर्न तयार छौं भनेर फर्काइदिएका छन्। त्यसो त अहिले आएर शेर्पाभित्रै पनि राजाको स्वागत गर्ने कुरालाई लिएर आपसमा बैमन्यश्यता कायम हुन पुगेको छ र सोझा शेर्पा जातिलाई केही राजाका चम्चाहरुले उचालेर अगाडि सारेकोमा उर्गेन शेर्पाले भने विरोध जनाउँदै सो आयोजक समितिलाई नै बहिस्कार गरिदिएको समाचार छ। उता राजाको विरोध गर्नका लागि कसिएर लागेका लोकतन्त्रप्रेमी नेपालीहरुले भने सेप्टेम्बर १६ तारिख शुक्रबारका दिन राष्ट्रसंघीय भवन अगाडि भेला हुन र लोकतन्त्रप्रति आफ्नो समथर्न देखाउनका लागि भनेर न्युयोर्कका आनन्द विष्ट, संजय पराजुली, शैलेस श्रेष्ठ, मृदुला कोइराला, वेद खरेल, मोहन ज्ञवाली, प्रमोद सिटौला, मिङ्मा शेर्पा, काजी शेर्पा, रिङझिङ शेर्पा लगायतका अधिकांश जनजाति समुदायसमेत लोकतन्त्रको पक्षमा दरो उपस्थिति जनाउनु पर्छ भन्दै लागिपरेका छन्। उनीहरुले विगत दुई सातादेखि ज्ञानेन्द्रको विरोधमा उपस्थिति होऔं भन्दै पर्चा वितरण गर्दै आइरहेका छन्। त्यसो त राजावादीहरुमा धेरै शेर्पाहरु छन् भन्ने हौवा हाल राज्यमन्त्री रहेकी यांकिला शेर्पाका भाइभतिजहरुमात्र परिचालन भएको थाहा भएको छ। राजाको स्वागतार्थका लागि भनी न्युयोर्कस्थित मिसनले २० हजार डलर दिइसकेको छ भने अन्य रकम भने आफूआफूले १५ सय डलरसम्म दिने र ज्ञानेन्द्रसँग बसेर रात्रिभोज खाने, तस्वीर खिच्ने भन्दै राजावादीहरुले केही शेर्पाहरु र सोझा साझा अन्य नेपालीहरुलाई ठग्न थालेका छन्। राजावादीहरुले बल्लतल्ल न्युयोर्कस्थित पेन्सिलभेनिया होटलमा सेप्टेम्बर १६ तारिखका दिन दिवाभोजका लागि होटल बुक गर्न पुगेका छन्। राजावादीहरुको ईमेल प्रचार From: Felicitation Committee felicitationcommittee@yahoo.com >Subject: Invitation!!! >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:11:31 -0700 (PDT) > >Dear friends, > >US-Nepalese Felicitation Committee invites all Nepalese and friends of >Nepal to honor Their Majesties King Gyanendra and Queen Komal at a public >felicitation program to be held on September 17, 2005 (Saturday), 11: 30 >am, at Pennsylvania Hotel, 401, 33rd Street, 7th Ave., Floor-18, in front >of Penn Station and Madison Square Garden. >The Committee wishes you to invite your friends as well. > >Thank you. Source :- merosansar blog
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