Still no time to engage in a lengthy debate, thus excuse me DODHARE-ji! Ashu, I say DITTO to your latter half. I have said it before, and I will say it again, we are in a dire need for a cultural revolution. But then again, that process -- lengthy and difficult as it may be -- cannot even be begun unless we have a BASIC democratic framework intact. Closed and narrow society under autocratic regime will only provide for stronger obstacles to changes. Iraq...later!