well, when i started getting involved in this kinda topic.........my fren called me crazy and i thought i was the one but tell u what.........i am so happy to see so many intrest? specially with vishu avtaar ji.........he is my guru.........we learn so much? pisces bro is cool too......confused bro and i are in stage of ( anabhigya) still learning....too many complicated question.....vishuavtaar is in ( bhigaya) vishuji pls can u touch puran and tell me about where shiva came from? i am really confused