(Sorry I mean Vedic Life Ji not Arya Sakti Ji, names sounds similar :)) Let me tell you something useless; don't accept this if you don't like, this is not important thing at all. If I have to accept, I will love to accept Kenneth's theory, because it looks more realistic to me. I believe that Aryan people must have come from other land (I apologize if Kenneth has mentioned this in his thesis; I couldn't get time to complete it). Here are my points. Veda clearly says that Aryan people had fair skin and they were living with dark skinned people. Veda clearly says that these dark skinned people were Dasas, the slave. This means that Aryan must have invaded (not necessarily around 2000 BC) them because until modern time there was a tradition of slaving defeated. Description of Indus valley in Vedas is the proof of being them written in India. Most importantly they were written in Kali Yug :). Anthropologists don't believe that Harappa and Mahenjo Daro cities were not Aryan city like; it means they must belong to dark skinned Dravidians. The structure of the cities tells that the Dravidian must be advanced civilization. This also shows that Aryan must have come from somewhere else. There is no proof that Aryan and Dravidians had any serious battle, but Vedas clearly reveal the brutality of Aryans over Dravidians. We can not reject this fact. This also supports that Aryans must had come from outside. If dark skinned Dravidians had come from some other place and attacked to Aryans, got defeated and became slave. This is unthinkable, first, defeated attackers hard to survive, second, where did the dark woman come from? Were they among the attacker? This is unacceptable. If you want to say dark skinned Dravidians and fair skinned Aryans both are indigenous Indians, you are challenging the science. How could in a same environment two different colored people maintain their color? Tropical India votes for Dravidians as the indigenous Indians. If you say both are from the same origin, language roots are different and I don't think it is possible scientifically that form a same gene two completely different looking people with different language can born in the same environment. All in all Aryan must have come from outside, might not be around 2000 BC, might be around 20,000 BC. Tomorrow new scientific probes of investigation will be developed and much clear picture of those days will come. There is no wisdom of arguing on such things. I am not a history person, neither I am interested in it. I am interested in fact, the reality, the truth. I want people come out of their blind believes. Blind belief is not spirituality; spirituality is an exact truth, not an approximate truth. You can't get truth through imagination. Spiritual people come to visit Indian subcontinent not because of Vedas, Upanishads, Tipithaka or any other religious ideas. They come because of the tradition, the Yogic tradition. Our forefathers didn't invest their time to built Pyramids, temples, and huge monuments. They discovered the path where one can get peaceful state of mind. They discovered it through their own effort, it was not through the mercy of some almighty god. The discovery didn't take place in a single night; it was utter effort of generations of Yogic practice. It was contribution of those great Yogis. Don't try to limit these Yogis to a particle cast like Brahman and Kshatriyas, these people were from all groups of society from Sindha to Himalayas. Let's respect this Yogic tradition, come out of our baseless belief, do some research, find out the truth ourself. Don't think we are spiritual just because we born in Jambu Dipa, the Dharma Land. Don't think you are spiritual just because you believe on Veda, Tipithaka, some Yogis or Saints. You have to follow the path showed by those Yogis and experience the tranquility of mind that they had experienced. Their experience went with them. Their experience made them peaceful. To calm down our mind, to get peace we have to experience ourselves. To quench our thrust we have to dirnk water. It is simple science. To walk in the path discovered by and walked by our forefathers is real tribute to them. Those who seek tranquility of mind remember the Indian subcontinent because of these Yogis and their discoveries. The pride of being descendent of those great Yogis will give us nothing. Grandson of Michael Faraday has to live in darkness if he can not pay the electric bill, though the electricity is being generated by the principle discovered by Faraday. ( MM Ji do you really believe those Brahmic calender stuff :)?!!!!!! By the way I don't want to talk about it. I want to write to you about Shiva but I don't want to touch Pauranic Hindusm, at least not this time. This much is for this weekend. I will write to -Ji hopefully next weekend. My postings are incomplete in all the threads, but they are not confusing, but I think this thread has brought some confusion, I will still post here so that at least nothing remain confusing)