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Posted on 02-08-05 4:35 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Truce has been signed between the above two for a 'ceasefire'. "..........Israel will accept that in the short term the Palestinian Authority will not actively be cracking down on militant groups" What if Hamas and others decide not to give up violence (though they have halted anti-israleli operations in the past week). How is this truce going to work? Or Is this going to be another Roadmap to Peace?
Posted on 02-08-05 4:36 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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before u guys condemn me for plagiarism, here goes the MSNBC link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6906348/
Posted on 02-09-05 7:56 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ah! It's quite refreshing to think about something else. And the Middle East has always been my true passion when it comes to global affairs! I personally am cautiously optimistic about the recent declaration of ceasefire between the Palestinians and the Israelis. Well, more cautious than optimistic, I must say! The Palestiine-Israeli conflict is, without a doubt, THE MOST pressing issue of our times. Not only it is vastly complex in nature than other conflicts around the world, and has outlasted almost all of them, still without a solution in sight, it also has the ability to influence politics far and beyond the Middle East. The euphoria of the Oslo Accords of 1994 has obviously been proven misguided, and the problem arising from deep distrust between the concerned parties still persists, as intricate and as complex as it was 40 years ago. Therefore, by merely siging the declaration of peace, though it is absolutely a positive step, I decline to be excessively hopeful. For one thing, the issues involved are complicated betond imagination, and the road ahead is tremendously difficult. I am also skeptical about Hamas' willingness to go along with the declaration of peace that was signed in Egypt just a couple of days ago. As the last Palestinian elections have indicated, Hamas has a significant clout over the Palestinian people, at least on the local level. Given the fact that they are so popular -- mainly due to their charitable work -- I doubt they would be willing to listen to the Palestinian president, albeit elected with a significant majority, and lay down their arms so easily. I am also regretfully suspicious of Israel's willingness (particularly of Ariel Sharon's) to be remotely lenient on some of the critical issues vis-a-vis their conflict with the Palestinians, namely a. status of the refugees, b. Jerusalem, and c. the creation of a VIABLE Palestinian state. Therfore, the real test ahead for the Palestinian leader will be to first reign in the militancy aspect of Hamas without seemingly creating impedements to their charitable work; and second, after having gained a moral high ground by embracing peaceful approach to the plight of the Palestinians, to convince the international community to put UNBEARABLE pressure on Israel to reconsider some of it's detrimentally (to the peace efforts) ideological stances. Having expressed my caution, however, I must say I am more optimistic about the prospects of peace now than ever because of a single reason: Mahmoud Abbas' passion for peaceful movement. Ever since Mahmoud Abbas (nom de guerre: Abu Mazen) came into the political limelight, he has been an ardent advocate of peaceful movement against the Israelis. He has always held the belief that the INTIFADA (violent uprisings against the Israelis, started in 1988) itself was a huge mistake, and that Palestinians will never be able to achieve their goals by embracing violence as their modus operandi. NOw, by completly discarding the violent approach, I am hopeful that he wuill be able to gain the moral high ground over the Israelis and cast undue pressure on Israel to succumb to some of Palestinians' demands.
Posted on 02-09-05 1:24 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am also regretfully suspicious of Israel's willingness (particularly of Ariel Sharon's) to be remotely lenient on some of the critical issues vis-a-vis their conflict with the Palestinians, namely a. status of the refugees, b. Jerusalem, and c. the creation of a VIABLE Palestinian state. I agree. Although, I am not very familiar with the issues in the region, and all my knowledge comes from Fridman's and Bernard Lewis's books, ma pani 1-2 point thokidinchu, if it is OK with the informed sajha visitors. 1-2 ota lekhera 3-4 ota naya kura sikna paryo: 1. Given Ariel Sharon's impressive (?) history, I too, doubt this peace aggreement will be implemented seriously and entirely. However this shouldn't automatically imply that the Palestanians, all of them, want peace either. Will there be a viable Palestanian state? I highly dount this. Maybe the Palestanians will be a little better than they are now, but I don't see them having their own state with state powers anytime soon. The settlement dwellers whom Sharon created are the people oppisng a Palestanian state. So If Sharon now makes a U-turn, then he will be "betraying" his own people, who live by the Torah! Will Sharon be able to do it? 2. Israelis have suffered a lot. The jews have ben prsecuted throughout the history.. everywhere. Its the first time the Jewish people have their own state. Its a matter of immense pride for them. Although they have a state now, they are faced with hostile neighbors.. which makes them see themselves as victims. When you start consiedring yourself a victim, you shun every rational option. Why should I compromise now when I have suffered for this long? This attitude in the majority of Israelis or those who have the political power will do anything to thwart the agreement. It won't take much: One Plaestanians shot in the West Bank.. and Hamas will send a suicide bomber to Tel Aviv.. Again back to where we were before! 3. The Palestanians are divided too. This, in part can be blamed on Yaseer Arafat. Yaseer Arafat's uncompromising attitude actually confined the Palestanians more. Their choices were more limited by Arafat, not widened/broadened. [ I already amde it clear that I am a total idiot when it comes to Middle East.. and my knowledge comes from the afore-mentioned 2 books. I lack the confidence that I have when I talk about China/East Asia when talking about the Middle East]. Since Arafat was popular outside Palestine, and he was the only PR person the Palestanians had, they had to deal with his "uncomp[romising" attitude. But when it came to the West Bank and other areas, Arafat was not considered important when dealing with internal Palestanian issues/protests. The Palestanians made it clear when they staged INTIFADA. If my memory serves me right, Arafat didn't even know that the people were planning on that. Some of The group members who clearly dsliked but not hated Arafat for his handling of things, turned to the HAMAS. Hamas if I am not mistaken, was created because of Arafat's mishandling of things. 4. Therefore, one has sufficient reasons to believe that the Palestanians are divided now, partly because of Arafat's leadership and partlky because of Israeli policies. The result: Hamas and other organbziations gained significant influence among the people, which continues to this day. The Palestanians cannot unite, the Israelis cannot decide. This is the biggest problem. HAMAS too wants its share in the "liberation" of Palestine. Although a terrorist organziation, and rightfully declared one by the international community, it does enjoy a popular support in Palestine because of its charity works. So any agreement without HAMAS's support, if not involvement, is, I am afraid, going to be a failure. 5. A Plestanian State, an Arab state next to a jewish state is not very likely at this point (nor it was likely before). The majority of the Israeli population do no wnat to divide the land what they claim to be rightfully theirs. Even if a state is created, the Israelis will insist that the new state hands in its defense and foreign affairs to Israel, i.e., Israel will take care of those. This means becoming more of an Autonomus region, than a state. And will the Palestanians accept that? 6. Just as not all of Palestanians' are liberal and peaceful, not all Israelis' are accomodating. This is a major problem. La hai, as I wrote earlier, I alck the confidence when I have to talk about the Middle East(not that anybody forced me to show my stupidity here. Its just I am tempted to leran more about the region in a comfortable/relaxed setting). I might be totally off given my limited knowledge.. aaba aaruko kura sunera/padhera sikna paryo..
Posted on 02-09-05 1:43 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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arko kura jhatta yaad aayo... Are the parties involved serious? We have seen many accords and agreements in Palestine, but they have failed. Even on the latest one, Sharon has used the word, "cautious moves".. both sides need to move/work cautiously, and has not defined a time-frame for pulling out entirely of the setllements. Hamas says its not bound by the agreement. The best option will be to have the Pro-Peace societies in both Israel and Palestine, independent of the state propaganda, start working on their own initiatives and lobby for peace. Ahile ta maile suneko, padheko anusaar, there's no powerful civil society looby in either palestine or Israel to pressure their respective govts. to live by the agreements. "Peace for a day, war for a week". This is how I see it. Maybe I am being a pessimist..:-(

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