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Posted on 08-07-05 11:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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What Nepal must do to protect Border problem with India?

We need to use: Visa systems

Nepal must build boundry walls. It does not matter how much costly or how long it takes. It must be done by Nepalese people for security and peace.

What do you people thinks about?
 
Posted on 11-03-06 1:44 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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india is taking over land from nepal every day.. in the terai area.


at this rate, by 2030 half of nepal will be owned by India.
 
Posted on 11-03-06 3:10 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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alright then lets do something anything. What can we do to stop them? Who can we contact that is good enough and powerful in nepal to stop the invasion? I dont know much about politics in nepal and i defenitely dont know anyone who is powerful there. I know there are thousands of nepali people who visit this site everyday one of em have to know someone. and ne23pe bro i am 17 well almost 18 but anyway age is not just the problem. Money is a huge factor. We all know almost all of the powerful people in nepal are corrupt and money is what they want. Say one person does want to help and say he or she does get support of nepali people, they might even get as much as say a 1000 people just from this site, still wont have enough money to buy the bastards in nepal. And i would say bribing them is the only way unless you want to put a gun to their head. If international nepali people want to help their country they need an outside force. If anyone can persuade someone from different country and show them what nepal can be then only will nepal be able to prosper. Other than this i dont see any other way because we all know the government sucks major ass there.
 
Posted on 11-03-06 6:37 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Alright DeViLsKyLiNe bro, that is the attitude I was looking for. First bro where in US are you? Another thing would be to find at least 10 people interested in the this topic within our state or area. Then we start communicating with each other.

I see your point in buying corrupt criminal but remember we dont need to buy them nor can we come up with such capital. Also we doing something that we want gone from our society, like paying off poeple, so that would make us hippocrits. What we need to do is rally up the Nepali people remember if what happened with King Gyanendra with all the people taking the street. Now it will take a while to rally these people but one advantage that we have is that we also have nationalist in our country and even among the maoists so we can take that for our advantage.
All we, living in developed country, need to do is just start up in our part and let everything else take its course. If we do that then people back home will really think we care and maybe they will start caring about it too.

We can also tell San to help us set up support in Sajha. San himself is a community leader so he can help us raise our voice against these Indian bastards.

How about it bro, are you up to the challenge?
 
Posted on 11-03-06 6:50 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Do American Nepalese Association and Non-Resident Nepal Association think or focus on this topic?

Does any Nepalese association around the world know about this matters?

This is very dangerous situation of Nepal... It is dangerous more than Maoist, Criminals and other things? If we can not save country, we can not do nothing?

First our country must be there for us to live and survive?
 
Posted on 11-03-06 6:54 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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So how about it everything bro do you want to help me and DeViLsKyLiNe bro with our initiative. Are you willing to be the first one to help and start something for the cause you believe in or not?
 
Posted on 11-03-06 7:13 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ne23pe bro i am like an hour from Chicago and yes i will do what ever it takes to help. haha i have even convinced my gf about it. I have a lot of ideas about how we can improve neapl as well but right now we need to get more people like you said. I understand why you dont want to buy the corrupt politicians and i respect that. But the thing is I dont want anyone hurt in the process. If we get a lot of people to support us in nepal and if they go to the streets like before that would not be a good thing at least not right now. Because the more people we get harder it is to control them. Do you see what i am getting at? I mean yes we need the support and if i get this out i know i will get support by tons of people but the support would be from people my age. And i am pretty sure you were my age once, we seem to be a little crazy lol we dont think a lot before we do things. Therefore, support is good but we need right kind of support. To make nepal prosper we can't depend on our government thats why like i said before we have to ask for outside help. China is our best option. Yes, i know they are communists but no one is gonna say anything about them i promise you in 10 years because the direction they are moving in the economy is unbelieveable but i am pretty sure you knew that. On top of that China wants to help everyone knows that i just dont get why we turn to india instead of china. Sooo just support and money is not the only thing we need, i guess you can say we need an "Inside man or woman" who is powerful enough to help us.
(everything) I doubt anyone or any organization outside of Nepal or even in nepal are trying to do anything.
And one last thing if india is advancing china is not gonna do anything. The key to help from china is to ask for it.
 
Posted on 11-03-06 7:21 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Another thing everything bro most NRN and community leaders are selfish and do not make the voice of our community, it is us the youth that are more concerned with whats happening because we have just started to realize our identity in foreign country.
We are the future generation that is going to do something for our country not these the old generation NRN who are more concerned with money then welfare of their own people.
 
Posted on 11-03-06 7:38 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Well bro let just start with two of us and then we will also look for support from Sajha members then within our community, then with everyone else. I am so glad there is also someone out there who is thinking of doing something to help our country, I never thought there were any.

Well where should we start?
 
Posted on 11-03-06 7:42 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Another thing DeViLsKyLiNe bro I was your age about 4 years ago, so we are not that much in difference in age and No you are not too young, you are just the right age because if you did not care now you will definately wont care later.
 
Posted on 11-03-06 8:05 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Website bro power of the Internet. Even though i know a lot about computers i have no idea how to create an website sooo if you know someone of if you can create one then that would be the best thing right now. And then appeal to sajha users and other nepali people. I will tell you the details about how the website should be later but first need to find someone who can create one.
 
Posted on 11-03-06 8:19 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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We can find the website creater in Sajha or we can even ask San for this if he got the time. I also know one or two people who can help me create a website and I will let you know more about it tomorrow. What is your email bro? Let me know and I will contact you there. My email is sagarniraula@yahoo.com or ne23pe@yahoo.com but email me at the first adress since I dont check the other one much.
 
Posted on 11-03-06 10:08 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ne23pe bro i sent you an email should check it
 
Posted on 11-03-06 11:01 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am sleepy..zzzzz.zzzz.zzzz
 
Posted on 11-04-06 1:57 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ne23pe, i like the idea of working together for our common cause, let me know how can I be ur help
What can i do ?
 
Posted on 11-04-06 2:48 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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the only solution to this problem is make a deal with c. GANAPATI.

IF THE INDIAN RULING ELITE IS EXPLOITING ITS OWN POPULATION, WILL IT SYMPATHYSE THE GURKHALIES? never. not a single time.

Nepal has to be and WILL be a dynamite, not just a tarul. then the dhoti will run away from our borders.

Look, the indians say officially that nepal is only 8th important nation to them, after Bangladesh. But they know what Nepal can do for them: put a knife close to their heart.

ehshallah!
 
Posted on 11-04-06 6:33 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thank You thopa bro, do you know anyone or can you design a website for us? Do you also know anyone else who will support our cause that live in one of these two states: Maryland, Virginia, and DC area?
Are you located in any of these area? Even if you are not we will still need you help and I will tell you in a day or two how you can help us, because as of now DeViLsKyLiNe bro and I are planning out what to put on the website. If you have any suggestion also would be greatly appreciated.
Also thopa bro let me know your email. Mine is posted above, so you can email me there. (sagarniraula@yahoo.com)
 
Posted on 11-04-06 4:12 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Indian Encroachment Threatening Nepal's Sovereignty:

report By Reagan Shrestha

According to official records, Nepal covers a total area of 147,181 Sq km. But in reality, the territory of Nepal is gradually shrinking thanks to increasing encroachment by India that has put the sovereignty of Nepal at stake.

The reports prepared by Buddhi Narayan Shrestha renowned border expert after thorough survey make it evident that India has encroached about 59,970 hectares of Nepali territory at 54 points in 21 districts adjoining India in the east, west and South. But if the areas affected by the unilateral activities of our southern neighbor such as construction of dams and irrigation projects are considered as encroachment, which according to researcher Phanindra Nepal, we should, the number increases to 85 points.

Among the encroached areas, the much disputed Kalapani-Limpiyadhura area with 372 sq km (37,800 hectares) is the largest chunk of Nepali territory encroached by India. The encroachment started right after the India-China border war of November 1962. After facing defeat, the Indian army set up a camp inside Nepal's territory of Kalapani to keep an eye on Chinese activities. But now, they claim the area belongs to India.

The Treaty of Sugauli (1816) has clearly mentioned that the River Mahakali is the borderline of Nepal-India. The crux of the issue in dispute is the determination of the origin of the river Mahakali. "The maps of 1850 and 1856 prepared by the Survey of India with the participation of Nepalese authority clearly states that the river originates from Limpiyadhura, 16 km northwest of Kalapani, which proves that Kalapani belongs to Nepal," says Shrestha.

But the Indian side refuses to accept those maps as proof. They say that the map prepared by them in 1875 should be considered as proof as it was scientifically prepared. But what is remarkable is that the map does not have Nepal's certification. According to the map, the river Mahakali's origin is Lepulek.

In recent times, the Tribeni-Susta situated on the east of Narayani River in the mid-southern part of Nawalparasi district is the most tense area owing to encroachment.

Just a few weeks ago, some Indians invaded Nepali territory in Susta and burnt down all the sugarcane.

About two months ago, over 1000 Indian villagers backed by Indian Border Police Force (Seema Sashastra Bal) SSB had forcibly entered Nepalese territory in Susta. They completely destroyed the sugarcane in about 10 hectares of land and also manhandled men and women.

According to locals of Susta, such incidents are rampant in the area. Sometimes, they send Bihari miscreants to chase away Nepalis from their homes while sometime the Indian police cross the border and manhandle Nepalis on the pretext that they are searching for Munna Khan, an Indian gangster, who was once used by the Indian side to create disorder in Susta, says Shrestha.

Nepali farmers initiated the "Save Susta Campaign" to safeguard Nepalese territory but how long can they stop the Indian side is the question. They say they appealed to Nepalese authorities several times to take necessary action but the authorities are turning a deaf ear to them.

Experts say the changing course of the Narayani River is the main reason behind the dispute. Over the decades, the Narayani River has been changing its course toward the Nepalese side in the west, and the Indians have been trying to capture Nepalese territory. India has so far grabbed about 13,500 hectares of Nepalese land because of this.

The other most talked about point of dispute is Mechi. India's disapproval of Masonry Pillars popularly known as Junge Pillars as the main boundary pillars had sparked the Mechi Border dispute.

The map published in January 1818, right after the Sugauli Treaty, shows the Junge Pillars as the main boundary pillars. More importantly, history is evidence that British had erected those pillars as monuments of the Nepal-India border.

But the Nepal-India Joint Technical Border Committee adopted the Persian Map (Urdu script) of 1874 as the reference material, which was provided by the Indian side.

Because of the Nepali side's wrong decision accepting the Persian Map as the basis of demarcation, a total area of 1630 hectares of land has fallen on the Indian side.

Why does India encroach Nepal's land?
Experts are of the view there could be multiple reasons why India eyes Nepali land.

If Phanindra Nepal is to be believed, India wants Kalapani area primarily to keep an eye on the Chinese, Pyaratal for its biological diversity, and a large part of terai land for agriculture," says Nepal. He also says it cannot be ruled out that a power and water hungry India is eyeing Nepal's rivers.

Shrestha also believes that the main reason for encroachment is that India wants to meet the demand for settlement and agriculture for its ever growing population.

What needs to be done to stop encroachment and solve dispute?
According to Shrestha the issue can no longer be solved though bilateral meetings as India is not paying heed to Nepal's point of view. "The issue must be taken to the United Nations as India is not responding to Nepal's call for bilateral meeting," says Shrestha.

But Phanindra Nepal is of the view that lack of sincerity and patriotism are the main drawbacks of the Nepali side while negotiating with their Indian counterparts. He also says collective effort is needed to face the Indian side strongly. "Because of the news carried by the media, government deployed security personnel in Susta area on 28 October," he adds that media should carry border dispute news more frequently.

Besides, civic society must also pressurize the government to take necessary steps soon, he adds.

But we are virtually doing nothing to stop the encroachment and to resolve the existing dispute. Researchers like Shrestha and Nepal say there are so many such points where not even one security personnel has been deployed to guard our territory and citizens.

Altogether, 27 Nepal-India Joint Technical Level Boundary Committee meetings have been held in the last 25 years but they have not yielded any result yet.

Nepaleyes tried to get comments from concerned government officials on the outcomes of those meeting and what the Nepali bureaucracy was planning to do to resolve the dispute, but none them could be reached despite repeated attempts.

source: http://newsblaze.com/story/20051210073733nnnn.nb/topstory.html
 
Posted on 11-04-06 4:14 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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WE BETTER WAKE UP NOW... OR NEVER
 
Posted on 11-04-06 4:43 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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to stop border problem, we must not think but act..............and that should be set in back of all people's head am i clear.........
 
Posted on 11-04-06 5:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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alone_buzz you are wasting you time telling these people to act. They are just like politician back home, they say we need to do this, we need to do that, and when it come to act in the matter everyone is hiding and doing nothing. Yet they blame it on lack if leadership.
If lack of leadership is what those Nepali leaders lack then how come we are just discussing about this topic and no one is stepping forward to do anything. I again ask does anyone else want to help DeViLsKyLiNe and I with our goal or just keep bickering.
 



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