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Posted on 07-26-16 11:09 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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out of curiosity, shivakoti vaneko kun caste ma parcha, like , chhetri, bahun or newar or neither of them...


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Posted on 07-28-16 1:25 PM     [Snapshot: 1217]     Reply [Subscribe]
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"рдореЗрд░реЛ рдмрд┐рдЪрд╛рд░рдорд╛ рдардХреБрд░реА рднрдиреЗрд░ рдЖрдлреБрд▓рд╛рдИ рдорд╛рдерд┐рд▓реНрд▓реЛ рдмрдирд╛рдЙрди рдорд┐рдЪрд╛ рдЦрд╛рди рдЖрджрд┐ рдЗрддреНрдпрд╛рджрд┐рдХрд╛ рдкрд░рд┐рд╡рд╛рд░ рд░рд╛рдЬ рдкрд░рд╡рд╛рд░ рднрдП рдкрдЫрд┐ рдирдпрд╛ рдХреНрд▓рд╛рди рдХреЛ рд╕реБрд░реБрд╡рд╛рдд рднрдПрдХреЛ рд╣реЛ рдардХреБрд░реА рдЫреЗрддреНрд░реА | рдпреА рдардХреБрд░реА рд╣рд░реБрдХреЛ рдмрд╛рдирд┐ рдмреЗрд╣реЛрд░рд╛ рджреЗрдЦрд┐ рдЪрд╛рд▓рдЪрд▓рди рд╕рдмреИ рдордЧрд░ рд╕рдВрдЧ рдорд┐рд▓реНрдЫ рдЕрдирд┐ рдЕрдиреБрд╣рд╛рд░ рдкрдирд┐ | рдлреБрдкреВ рдЪреЗрд▓рд╛ рдорд╛рдорд╛ рдЪреЗрд▓реА рдорд╛ рдмрд┐рдмрд╛рд╣ рд╣реБрдиреНрдЫ рдЕрд░реБ рдЫреЗрддреНрд░реАрд▓реЗ рдмреНрд░рд╛рдореНрд╣рдг рдЬрд╕реНрддреИ рдкреБрд╕реНрддрд╛ рд░ рд╕рдЧреЛрддреНрд░реА рдмрд┐рдмрд╛рд╣ рдЧрд░реНрдиреБ рд╣реБрдиреН рднрдиреНрдЫрди |
рдкрд╛рддрдХреА рдмрд╛рд╣реБрди рд╣рд░реБрд▓реЗ рдЖрдлреБрд▓рд╛рдИ рд╕рдмреИ рднрдиреНрджрд╛ рдорд╛рдерд┐ рд░рд╛рдЦреЗ |"

Here are my take on this gorkhe bro

1. Your statement about thakuri is partly true. Mongoloid looking Thakuris are mainly from west and mid-west, Parbat, Baglung, Syangja etc. If you look at far-western thakuris they are not mongloid, they are thakuris of khas/indo-aryan root.  

Interesting thing is, among Nepalis, 4 ethnicities, such as  Khas-chhetri, thakuri, magar, and newar have very broad facial spectrum (Most of Upadhaya bahuns look the same, so do gurungs and rai and limbus).  It's because of huge intermixing in those groups of people.

Rajesh BP bro
Khas is jaati (ethnicity) and chhetri is jaat (caste). Do you see the difference? Most of the chhetris (we also have few chhetris from Jat and Rajput root), thakuris, gaines, dalits, are of khas root. But, still there are many khas people who despite having all the surnames and traits of chhetris are not chhetri. They are called matwali chhetri. The Raut guy in upper Jumla I gave as an example is classified as matwali chhetri. They have exactly same shamanistic practices as of chettris but do not wear Janai. They were left without being hinduized/chhetrized.Most Khas people converted to Hinduism becoming chhetri only after ca. 1450 BS after the disintegration of great khas empire. If you are interested find my older threads. I have written a lot on this topic in sajha.
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@ rajesh, i second the opinions of nalapani. the khas from gandaki region and eastwards have been hinduised thoroughly and spread out after the disintregation of khas empire post 12-13th century. and the khas of karnali also took hinduistic rituals but they still follow their shamanistic dewali,masto and kulpuja traditions. the khas eastwards of bheri river dont do that generally and are culturally more and more getting closer to indian high caste rituals.

@ magorkhe, thakuri may have been a ruler post as mahat, rai or subba .there are some thakuris who look aryan and some clearly look mongoloid.since west of kali there were also other petty kingdoms called 12 thakurai and in indian mainland too there were thakurs who were petty chieftans .the thakuris of gandaki region are either magar or mix of khas and magar and their religious and cultural proximity to both these big ethnicities made them easy to combine their forces and go on for unification.
рдкрд╛рддрдХреА рдмрд╛рд╣реБрди рд╣рд░реБрд▓реЗ рдЖрдлреБрд▓рд╛рдИ рд╕рдмреИ рднрдиреНрджрд╛ рдорд╛рдерд┐ рд░рд╛рдЦреЗ |...-pre-rana regime ,the social fabric of nepal was not like that we imagine today . caste system as concieved in indian heartland never existed in nepal, it was peculiarly nepali in our hills.but thats not our topic today


 



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