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Posted on 02-12-15 6:06 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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How big is the universe!! Is it ever expanding like the sound or it has an end to it. It's been the question since the beginning of mankind. Any one got good explanations or theories to it !? Would love to have some healthy conversation.
 
Posted on 02-13-15 12:38 PM     [Snapshot: 529]     Reply [Subscribe]
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@8848m..... I am not talking about the ego bound individual consciousness (Jivatma). I am talking about the transcendental witness consciousness (Turiya) which doesn't take part in anything. For example, space is unaffected even if you detonate the most powerful atom bomb. In that sense, space is transcendental in nature. However, if matter has to exist within the space, there must be some organic connection between matter and space.

How do you know for sure that space has no cause? How do you know for sure that space was always there? Have you experienced by yourself? Or do you have any authentic source which proves space has no cause? When you claim something, you also need to provide explanations. You cannot just say space is always there. Another question arise, why is space always there? Why something like empty void (space) wants to exist for itself and forever? These are not an easy questions and I am not hoping answers from you because these question cannot be answered through your logical reasoning. This is where Vedas starts. Where quantum physics ends, Vedas starts.
 
Posted on 02-13-15 7:53 PM     [Snapshot: 654]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ujil,
How do you know for sure that space has no cause?
Ok. Lets define space again, its three dimensional extension where matter and energy interact. Now, its friday, we having fun after the long week, You and I go to a party together. Music is loud, you are taking shots or may be not, depends if you drink. We having good times, ladies are dancing and so are we. Now we take one more shot and I tell you bro, you are too close ( distance wise) to me and I need some space. Here, space we are talking about the distance. You and I are matters interacting so are stars, galaxies, energies and black holes. What keeps us apart is "space". You and I stand on earth, but earth is just rolling round and round in the space, it does not have a ground to hold ( gravitation force from sun, yes but if it was not there, it would still be rolling through space). The space here we are talking about is the distance between objects a.k.a Space. That distance or space is everywhere through out universe. Nobody has to create or there has to be cause. Now tell me, does there has to be cause to have space/distance between any objects.

How do you know for sure that space was always there?
Again, I am not sure what you think of space. Another example, there is an empty jar. How do you know its empty? Because it does not have nothing. How do you prove there is nothing? "Nothing" is just a name given for the incident when anything is not present. What cause nothing? nothing being there is the cause for nothing. Space is like a distance, in three dimension, where there is nothing, there is space.
Have you experienced by yourself?
Party example comes handy again.

Or do you have any authentic source which proves space has no cause?
When I say there is zero apple on the table, its like asking me to prove "zero apple in the table". First of all, there is not a apple to show you what apple looks like, and zero stands nada, none. So, I cannot prove you there is no apple on the table.

When you claim something, you also need to provide explanations.
Explained enough
You cannot just say space is always there.
Another question arise, why is space always there?
Because its space/ distance/ Dimension where you and I interact, Stars interact, energy interact, forces interact, universe exists.

Why something like empty void (space) wants to exist for itself and forever?
Let me laugh first. Why does nothing exists, why does zero exists. Nothing is just a name given for certain situation, so does zero means, When we say zero apples, where does zero exists. Zero means there is none apple. Its just an analogy. Space is there because its there. Why there is distance between sun and earth, well because they are far in distance, in space.
These are not an easy questions and I am not hoping answers from you because these question cannot be answered through your logical reasoning.
These questions are neither hard, either. Bro, You need to come out of cause and effect phenomena. Space is there because it was always there. Its not a object for you to have cause and effect. Its just a notation for three dimensional directions and time. If we did not call it space, we might call distance, or vacuum or anything.
This is where Vedas starts. Where quantum physics ends, Vedas starts
Ha ha ha. Bro if it was true, then all our courses would be vedas, we would be taught vedas, Nasa would use vedas, Tesla would use veda, So would Newton, So would the world.

Anyways, its nice discussion. Happy friday and enjoy bro. We will talk more.
 
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@8848: Mr 8848 you have given some excellent answers. I totally agree with you in many ways. But when you say space will always be there i have a problem. You are giving answer for this question based on how you feel but not providing any scientific explanation. 'Space will always be there" aint no scientific explanation. why does space exist when nothing else does? Did we had space before the big bang? The answer is we don't know. My guts says yes there was space no matter what but that doesn't mean its the right answer. was there space before big bang?. Dimensions came after the big bang. Without the Universe how do you define dimensions. To have dimensions you must have to refer to something. If space is a dimension then how can you say space was there before the Universe existed?Do you have any scientific proof or a formula to prove that? You might have and if you provide me one i will definitely applause it.
Other thing is you totally ignored the consciousness as if it is nothing. Yes evolution has made us intelligent and has helped all the animals evolve and change according to time to survive. But think about this: How did the first animals knew that they have to insert their junk(Penis) into the ladies vagina to have a baby or to quench their sexual desire. Think about Elephants. For them it is such an extra task to climb that high to have sex unless they are 100% sure that that vagina will quench their sexual desire. What I'm saying is todays elephants saw other elephants doing that or are evolved and carry a natural instinct on how to have sex but think about the first elephants or any animals in the begining. Some way or the other we all have some sort of consciousness. Without it we cannot survive. Higher consciousness comes when you can train your mind to that level: eg: from meditation. BTW Consciousness is not brillian
 
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@8848m.....Distance is merely an idea in your mind. Space is an undivided reality. You cannot cut, separate, burn this reality called space. Space doesn't depend on distance for its existence but distance is just an idea in your mind. As Corporate America mentioned above, you are completely ignoring the consciousness aspect that is present within this space. Who is becoming aware of this space? What is the relation between consciousness and space? Where did consciousness came from? Can consciousness come from unconscious matter/energy? The creative intelligence is not only present in humans but is present in plant kingdom as well as in prokaryotes. The sunflower, for example, moves its leaves according to the position of sun so that it can get maximum sunlight. This behavior is only possible because of the creative intelligence that is within sunflower.

What happens in a paralysis? Some portion of the body doesn't move. Why? Because the consciousness has been blocked to that region and that region simply doesn't exist for that person, though outside people may be able to see that paralyzed portion. The paralyzed portion is good for nothing. It simply doesn't exist for the individual simply because the consciousness is blocked. Therefore, you cannot ignore consciousness aspect which is present within the space and you must be open to all kind of philosophy because reality changes according to the state of your consciousness. Why do you totally ignore your dream world as if nothing happened in dream. So many things happened and dreams are experienced as real for the time being but when you wake up you don't give a crap about dream. Why? Because your reality has changed just by shifting your consciousness. Therefore, when talking about Reality and Space, you cannot totally ignore one aspect and only talk about some aspect which you think is more finer and therefore should be real. Dream is also real for the dreamer for the time being. While dreaming you have no idea about its unreality. What is the entity that is shifting your reality? It is consciousness. Therefore, you must harmonize all aspects if you want to understand the Ultimate Reality which is beyond time and space.
 
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Bro, m really drunk at the very moment, just finished my pint of smirnoff. we will get together here soon. as of right now, dont care about universe and space much. Let me sober up and we will talk more. Friday, the great day.
 
Posted on 02-13-15 9:55 PM     [Snapshot: 701]     Reply [Subscribe]
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8848,

I have to differ with you that space is just a distance between to matters. Space is built with dark matter. The 96% of the what is think its out there is unknown. There is just too much to find out and learn about the universe. But i dont want Ujl to get all excited on his hypothesis, just because you cannot explain it one way should not automatically prove the " religious" agenda.

Corporate,
How did first animals know how to have sex? Sex started way before "animals",. I have to say it started with the first cell division. You have to believe in evolution to believe that. You remind me of people asking if revolution was true then how come we dont see monkeys turning into humans anymore. Reproduction is millions of years of evolutionary work since life was single celled.

 
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@sidster.....I am not mixing any religious ideas here nor quoting anything from the Vedas. I am explaining things using examples that are part of our lives. If religion contradicts science, I will never follow such religion.
 
Posted on 02-16-15 10:15 AM     [Snapshot: 911]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Universe and space has always been one of the most intriguing subjects for mankind. I wanted to share this article which is very different from what scientists have been saying all along..
 

Quantum Equation Suggests the Big Bang Never Occurred and the Universe Has No Beginning

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New study gives an astonishing answer to the eternal question of how the world began. Two astrophysicists argue that the Big Bang may never have happened, meaning the universe may have existed forever.

The model they suggest complements Einstein’s theory of general relativity with quantum corrections, and could also explain dark matter and dark energy.

It’s needless to say that this hypothesis on the origin of the universe is drastically different from most modern cosmological models. One of the most popular ones, the Big Bang theory, suggests that the universe began from a single, infinitely dense point known as the “singularity,” which began to expand 13.8 billion years ago resulting in a “Big Bang.” This is when the universe began according to the proponents of this model.

The Big Bang theory is derived from the mathematics of general relativity, but there are some weak points in it, since it can only explain what happened immediately after the Big Bang, but not before.

Now, Dr. Ahmed Farag Ali of Benha University, Egypt, in collaboration with Professor Saurya Das of the University of Lethbridge, Canada, came up with a series of equations that present an eternal universe with no beginning nor end.

In their work, Ali and Das used the ideas of David Bohm, American theoretical physicist, to make quantum corrections to an equation developed by Indian physicist Amal Kumar Raychaudhuri (the so-called Raychaudhuri’s equation), thus combining elements from bothquantum mechanics and general relativity. As a result, they got a universe that was much smaller in the past, but never existed as the infinite density point.

The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there,” says Ali.

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What about dark energy and dark matter? It is another unsolved mystery of the universe that has been torturing scientific minds for years, as it has been confirmed that dark matter together with dark energy form approximately 95% of the total content of the universe, but yet so little is known about these mysterious phenomena.

Here Das and Ali’s model suggests that dark energy and dark matter may be derived from aBose-Einstein condensate, a state of matter in which particles display macroscopic quantum phenomena. This condensate existed in the early universe and may have been formed bygravitons – hypothetical particles that flood the universe and carry gravity but have no mass.

Of course, the model suggested by Ali and Das is not a full theory of quantum gravity, but it is another major attempt to unite quantum theory and general relativity, which has been one of the most significant challenges in physics for the last decades.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Anna is the owner and lead editor of the website Learning-mind.com, and a staff writer for The Mind Unleashed. She is passionate about learning new things and reflecting on thought-provoking ideas. She writes about technology, science, psychology and other related topics. She is particularly interested in topics concerning consciousness and subconscious, perception, human mind’s potential, as well as the nature of reality and the universe.

©2015 The Mind Unleashed, Inc, all rights reserved. For permission to re-print this article contact contactthemindunleashed@gmail.com , or the respective author.

Featured image: This is an artist’s concept of the metric expansion of space, where space (including hypothetical non-observable portions of the universe) is represented at each time by the circular sections. Credit: NASA

Source: http://themindunleashed.org/2015/02/quantum-equation-suggests-big-bang-never-occurred-universe-beginning.html


 



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