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 Why so many Nepalis have their lastname "SHRESTHA" ?

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Posted on 12-09-09 12:00 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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According to one Nepali Historian, there was Zero number of people who had 'Shrestha' as their last name. Now there are over Million Nepalis who have their last name 'Shrestha'. It sounds like every Nepali has some kind of connection with this last name.


 
Posted on 12-11-09 11:56 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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hussain khan, please be civilized and learn some etiquette.

If you have argument or comment or do not agree in what I have written, Reply in descent language, we can always do discussion.

 
Posted on 12-11-09 12:14 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yes, its a good thing there are over Million Shrestha.  "Shrestha" belongs to Newar cast. No doubt. And Newar men are very sweet, responsible and educated. So every woman's dream is to be with a man who is sweet, responsible in life. And Most Women in Nepal marry Newar cast. Thats how women take last name of their husbands. And it happens to be 'Shrestha'.  Happy  now.

Are you related to T.Wood? you have a cool name, Letsplaygolf.

 
Posted on 12-11-09 12:47 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Chann_Tarkari,


One of my Newar friends also said that "Syah-Syah" in Newari language means " Bad-Bad" or in Nepali language "Bigreko-Bigreko".


read it again:


 


" Shrestha or Shresta (Nepali: श्रेष्ठ), is a surname belonging to the community of people in Nepal and India and trace their origin to Northern-Indian roots. They originate from the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh in India. During the reign of the Shah kings in Nepal, Shresthas used to work mostly as laborer in India. Even amongst Shresthas, there is a differentiation of caste, called 'thari', the difference being mostly between "panch thari" (5th level) and "ccha thari" (6th level). It is speculated that there is an additional "das thari" (10th level).

Often people from various parts of Nepal who are considered of lower caste (Sarki, Damai, Chyame etc.) have changed their last name to 'Shrestha' and that is the main reason why the number of people bearing 'Shrestha' as their last name has grown exponentially in the last couple of decades. That is also the reason for above 80 percent of people who have 'Shrestha' as their last name can't speak the Newari language.

It is also believed that another caste "Pradhan", originally pronounced as "Pa-Ra-Dhaan". Which means, rice carrier, also came from central parts of India. During Rana rule, Pradhans from different parts of Nepal started to pour in to Kathmandu and mixed themselves with Newars living in the valley. They were called "Pa-Ra-Dhaan" because their job was to carry huge sacks of rice on their backs, to transport from local Newars in Kathmandu to outside of the valley. "


 
Posted on 12-11-09 12:59 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pokhari,

You should not claim yourself smarty just because your knowledge base and opinion contradicts with others.

The common name Sharma among bahuns is used in combination like Sharma Poudel, Sharma Adhikari etc., in separate form like Sharma only, Poudel only etc. and in interchanged form like a father being Sharma and his son being Nepal or Pokharel etc. Many Newar Bahuns (primarily Rajopadhyay) took Sharma as their last name in last 3 decades, but I am not sure if they are accepted or are able to mix up with rest of non-newar Bahun Sharmas. I have seen them still marrying and maintaining relations among their traditional Rajopadhyay circle only. Interesting fact is that, many of those Rajopadhyays who use Sharma have left their traditional responsibility of being a Pundit and they did not study the Shastra at their home. Those who have studied their Shastra, maintain their traditional role and keep updated with the knowledge of their tradition and history have started to roll back to Rajopadhyay. The ancestor of Rajopadhyay and Joshi are those people who participated in शास्त्रार्थ  with Shankaracharya, and got beheaded after defeat. The Rajopadhyay clan still believe that the evidence is preserved there in Patan. 


There is nothing like who is entitled to take Shrestha and who is not as you think. If Maharjan, Tamrakar, Sthapit and Shahi are not entitled, then how the others you mentioned from the lower tiers are entitled? If someone is स्यस्य: he may write Shrestha. It is that simple. The example of Hari Thapa Shrestha you mentioned is totaly wrong. If you met a Thapa married to Shrestha and they chose to use the Thapa-Shrestha as their last name, that is an exception, Otherwise, there is a large mass of Thapa Shrestha families, who are truely Syasyah, and have no background of intercast marriage in their family tree. Pay me air-ticket, I will take you to an entire tole of Thapa Shrestha families in Nepal. If you know about बिनां among स्यस्य:, you would not have the confusion that Thapa Shrestha came from intercast marriage.

I repeat, there is no clear demarcation of bahun, chhetri and baisya in Newar. All your attempt to show the difference is merely the result of comparison based on their profession and practice from the metrics of those caste-based division. Because the knowledge and job are transferred in generations, they got clear stratification that could be compared to caste-based division, but there is nothing hierarchy as you find among non-newars.  If you compare the job nature and tradition, you can find brahmin, chhetri, vaishya and shudras among muslim and among christians too, but that does not mean they have caste-based division.

Newar is conservative society but that conservative culture is not due to Jaysthiti Malla. The conservative culture dates back to almost 2500 years according to some research done by Bangdel and Bajracharya on Newar Arts. Some argue that Newar civilization maintained and flourished due to the conservative and carefull strategy despite facing tonnes of destructive attacks, natural calamity and political instability, which has nothing to do with the attempts of Jayasthiti Malla or the emergence of Shresthas. The community has practiced every odd startegy to keep themselve as conservative as possible, which was not a bad choice for them. Shresthas did that too.

I don't know why you claim that most of Shresthas are not farmers. I do not know where did you get this idea of "original" Shresthas. 
Just count the Shresthas from KTM valley and see in which profession their grandparents were attached? You will get it. Jyapus are farmers but Shresthas are too. More than 90% of Shresthas from Patan, Lubhu, Sunakothi, Sakhu, Bhaktapur, Changu, Thimi, Kathmandu, Banepa, Dhulikhel, etc. were in farming business until 3 generation ago. As newer opportunities came, they gradually went into other sectors. Shresthas are quick to change job nature and try to do everything. Therefore there is a saying उखे मस्यं थुखे मस्यं ल्हाबास्य स्यस्य:- Have you heard about this? 

There is no doubt about the newness of the word "Shrestha", which emerged after Jayasthiti Malla, so it won't be there in the old history. Most स्यस्य: used to have their बिनां, for example, Chandra Prasad Gorakhali is also a स्यस्य: (if he is newar) because Gorkhali is one of the बिनां among newar. 

Certain group of people change caste after getting associated with power and politics, but Shresthas are not. Nor Shresthas are united strongly that they can make a bigger impact in the national political frame. Therefore the example of Magars turning into Kunwar and to Rana to Rajput has no meaning in understanding about Shresthas. Shresthas are mainly middle class Newars who refused the caste-based division and does a variety of profession to survive. With rise and fall of Nepalmandal, from Brave Warriors of Maurya to Cowards of Shahs, Shresthas remained the part of Newar community and shared every rise and fall together with other Newar community members. Any derogatory remarks and any ill-attempt to provoke division would not separate them from the mainstream Newar community.


Letsplaygolf,

It is now clear that you are not a newar. You don't know the difference between स्यँ स्यँ and स्यस्य:. So there is no point to respond you. 

 
Posted on 12-11-09 1:10 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Letsplaygolf

Did you started this thread to derogate Newar? In the beginning I thought your question was genuine but looking at your more recent posts, looks like you started this thread pretending to be naive to ridicule newars.

Are you the owner of the blogsite you have posted: http://shrestha-history.blogspot.com/. It looks like you are. There is only one entry with the same specific question you have started the thread here on December 9. Most amazing is that then you post on December 11, "I was searching on google and I found this at : http://shrestha-history.blogspot.com". How come you came with exactly same played around question?

Each single entry on the blogsite makes fun of Newars. And you named yourself  started that blogsite taking newari name to ridicule

1. Shrestha working as porter in north india during the time of Shah king

2. Damai, sarki, kami being Shrestha

3. Pradhan as porter or carrier of Dhan

Now you again riducule by saying one of your newar friend said "One of my Newar friends also said that "Syah-Syah" in Newari language means " Bad-Bad" or in Nepali language "Bigreko-Bigreko""

What is that? Playing with language and pretending ignorant to  make fun of  other ethnic group with cheap jokes and remarks of no values.

San bhai if you can please post the ip address of this coward.



 
Posted on 12-11-09 1:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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OK pokhari,


You may have decent accent and sober character but your contents are intimidating while trying to group the people within Newars. I am fairly sure that you are not Newars and you don't have much idea of grouping/ranking the castes.


Your such attempt to rank/group the castes will definitely bring serious arguments which may eventually spark more serious demarcation within Newars.


Hence, I have nothing to say but to make you aware that you should never talk about higher caste and lower caste. It is very dangerous to your self.


 
Posted on 12-11-09 1:34 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Common Khan, looks like you did not have time to read my post in detail.

I know it is hard to talk about jaati and ethnicity and need to be very careful not to hurt the feeling. As every individual is proud of his ancestry and heritage.

But it is also hard to talk about social structure and caste system with out strata. But I have mentioned that many of present day lower cast  were higher caste in the past.and also gave example of how the higher caste was a nominal in the past. Caste is what but the power and goes up and down with that. If you watch Gladiator you will see that how the general of the Roman army was made into a slave.


many of the lower newar castes were higher castes or royalties in the past. For example: Kashais are the descendants of Mahishpal Abhirs and Gopalis were the gopal kings. According to Dr. Jagdish Chandra Regmi, most of the Jyapus are from licchawis. According to Bashu Pasha, Malis/Malakars (Gathus) are the descendants of Kirati kings, According to Bhakti Das Shrestha/Rajendra Shrestha Manandhars have some greek blood and came from Shalmiya country of west india. Even when you look at facial feature of  lower class newars they look more aryan than other higher class newars - for example Kashai, chyame, dhobi etc.

Caste is what but the power......

 
Posted on 12-11-09 5:48 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Rodiohead,


why would a mother of a guy whose last name is "Shrestha", not let her son to have a relationship with a girl whose last name is "Maharjan". I even spoke with the girl and she said it's a plain caste issue. His mother is not happy with her because she is from a caste other than Shrestha.


 
Posted on 12-11-09 11:09 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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letsplaygolf,  dont want to quote radiohead here, but thats what i mean....

why dont u ask that lady herself to get an honest answer....

Caste is has always come up especially for a marriage purpose. and it will come for many more years to come. Why?? Simply because we got a lot of useless people like you...



 
Posted on 12-12-09 3:23 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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To be honest who cares?  I really don't care about religion or caste system.

Peace!!!

 
Posted on 12-13-09 3:05 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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HaHaHa...sajha.com  baata maile dherai kuraharu thaha paaye Newar/jyapu haruko baare......




ye, yiniharu pani India baata aayeka po rahechan...... pahile pahile haami Rasuwa baata kathmandu aauda haamilai dekhi sahadaina thiye..... Khali bhote, bhote bhanera chhi-chhi garthe.....ahile pani dheraile tesai garchan......Kathmandu bhaneko uniharuko bau ko birta jasto garchan.....Khas bahun haru jastai hun yi jyapu haru pani..... ajha badi kattar chan yiniharu khas haru bhanda pani....ta-ta ma-ta garera hairaan garthe...Nepalmandal re??? jyapu ko budhhi ch*k ma huncha bhaneko yehi ho... hahaha


 
Posted on 12-13-09 12:01 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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jasle je gare ni rbdlama le afno jaat chai dekhayo hai.. la yasma koi jyapu le comment hanos na ta,

 
Posted on 12-13-09 5:20 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I remember a girl who was from a "Maharjan" family. She fell in love with a guy who was from a "Shrestha" family. The girl was so nice and innocent. The guy's family rejected her because they said she was from a "Maharjan" family.



I didn't know Newars had these kinds of caste problem and to me it showed that Shresthas ...themselves don't really want to mix with other authentic newari caste like "Maharjan" or "Manandhar" or "Dangol" or "Shakya". They think they are different than Newars.



So this proves that Shresthas must have come from some other place and not from Kathmandu.


 
Posted on 12-13-09 5:21 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I remember a girl who was from a "Maharjan" family. She fell in love with a guy who was from a "Shrestha" family. The girl was so nice and innocent. The guy's family rejected her because they said she was from a "Maharjan" family.



I didn't know Newars had these kinds of caste problem and to me it showed that Shresthas ...themselves don't really want to mix with other authentic newari caste like "Maharjan" or "Manandhar" or "Dangol" or "Shakya". They think they are different than Newars.



So this proves that Shresthas must have come from some other place and not from Kathmandu.


 
Posted on 12-13-09 5:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am not Newar but I respect them becaue when we have to represent Nepal to the rest of the world we have to show Newari and Tibetan Arts and Culture.After Mall dynasty we have negative development in almost all sectors.I have Newars, Bahuns and Chettris relatives.So, I know their cuture more or less.


In the Same post SIS wrote that Buffalo's momo eating People etc etc, I would like to ask SIS what's wrong with eating Buffallo's meat? Any Scientific reason? Buffallo meat is one of the best meat because it has less fat and more taste especially sukuti and yakulako masu with farshi.I personally don't like chicken, turkey and goat meat.Chicken and turkey don't have taste and Goat meat has nasty smell.Goat meat is only eaten in Nepal, India and MiddleEast. Rest of the world don't eat Goat meat because of its nasty smell not because they don't know about Goat.


Most of the Nepalese like to show off.They want to show the other people that they can afford goat meat.They eat Goat meat  not becasue of the taste but to maintain their status.If it is expensive, most of the Nepalese want it to show off. It was  in the food channel the food taster of  Travel Channel said buffalo meat is as good as beef. I know some of the bahuns don't eat garlic, onions and mushrooms, any scientific reason or don't know how to prepare good meal or don't have taste bud? I cannot stand who makes fun of eating buffalo meat.Give me the scientific reason why we cannot eat it.


 


 


 
Posted on 12-13-09 8:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This is really a dumb question. It could be "Why so many Jyapu have their lastname "SHRESTHA" ? "


 


 
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exactly.. Free H1B, why so many jyapu have their last name shrestha whereas they arent supposed to do so.
along with this, your name should be Free H1B- the fag

 
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wow.. look look...a bunch of monkeys :D



lets take some pictures of them while they're trying to figure out how they're different from each other..



i dont spot any difference...they're all monkeys :D



give em a banana sum1

 
Posted on 12-15-09 6:37 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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oie nepali.choor ma pakhya khwasa.....jigu nakku niwula .......
 
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I m sorry i have to bring this thread to life again. I know the Shrestha people will hate me for doing this. I m actually doing this research for my paper.


Yesterday I was searching on facebook site and I found a few exciting facebook pages about Shrestha. Here are some:


http://www.facebook.com/pages/We-love-Newari-dressfoodculture/109811961138?v=wall


 


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Why-so-many-Nepalis-have-their-Last-Name-SHRESTHA-/234385538031?v=wall


hope you will add some comments on the posts :_)


 



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