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Posted on 08-07-05 11:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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What Nepal must do to protect Border problem with India?

We need to use: Visa systems

Nepal must build boundry walls. It does not matter how much costly or how long it takes. It must be done by Nepalese people for security and peace.

What do you people thinks about?
 
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don't worry, nepal will be fine
 
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We should not keep quiet while India loot and rob our land and wealth.

If they steal our gold and silver.... We can recover.... but if they conquer and invade out land, we may not able to recover our land later.

We have to do war with India for our land; I do not think any Nepalese has gut to do war with India.

Do you have guts to do war with India? So think!

Indian Army:

http://indianarmy.nic.in/

 
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Everybody dead here
 
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Thanks for your valuable inputs ne23pe jee. Your inputs would have weighted more if you had added more swearing words to your comments. Anyways, I am kind of sad to see you being very less aware of India and her generosity towards Nepal.

If you know the current situation of Nepal there is another uprising going on in eastern terai region of Nepal in the name of JTTM. Do you know what has prompted this uprising ? I know you would not care as you think JTTM comrades are from Bihar, Right? Anyways, let’s not argue on that. Since you have asked me the following question I would like to inform you what were and are Indian assistance to Nepal .
You asked :- As far as India assiting Nepali financially then tell me how has it helped Nepal? Where is this money going to?
Ans :- As of date, there are over 265 approved Indian joint ventures in Nepal, with a cumulative total Indian investment amounting to between 36-40% of the total Foreign Direct Investment in Nepal.
India has been the foremost country to invest in Nepal., a total of 21 Indian investment projects came to Nepal with Rs. 679.77 million as foreign investment, accounting for around 56% of total FDI flows into Nepal.

About 78.5% of the Mahendra Raj Marg, a highway that runs the entire length of Nepal (1024 kms.) from the east to the west along the southern terai, has been constructed by India.

In addition, roads from Kathmandu to Dakshinkali, Trishuli, Balaju, Godavari and Raxaul via Hetauda, Sunauli to Pokhara, Rajbiraj to Koshi Barrage and Janakpur town road are contributions of Indian assistance. India has also constructed a number of bridges on these roads and separately two bridges on the river Bagmati at Kathmandu and one on the river Mohana. The bridge on the river Sirsiya between the towns of Raxaul on the Indian side and Birgunj on the Nepalese side has also been completed and opened for traffic movement.

Construction of 22 Bridges on Kohalpur-Mahakali Sector of East West Highway. These are the few examples of financial assistance from India.
 
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I truely believe that nepal is very closely related to india. Traditionally, socially,
economically, and many more......
I have visited India for quiet a few times and I really liked the hospitality they showed to
us.BUT here we r talkin about land encroachment................

USOFA>>>>>>>>>>
You can't forgive Indian government simply they help-(though superfluous)
They help us so that they can control us. Yes they helped build mahendra highway. Do you know
why?.......so that they can drive their vehicles.........you know its so easy for indian
vehicles to drive in nepal......
And have you realized why they dont help Nepal in hillly areas..........?
They help only in border and terai region and major cities.........all of these to grow their
control over us...............they dont help in rural ares coz there will be no benifit for them
NOW you think ...............is this a help?????? or just a show off....

It was funny that u said India helped to bring peace..........haha
If it was the fact then they sud never have let the maoist to reside in India..........Actually
they made maoist strongerrrrr..........

And do u know about SUGAULI SANDHI..........(though i dont know at all)
As far as I know nepal is supposed to get the lost 1/3 lands after british since they were
the part of Nepal before the treaty........
So instead returning the land what India does ............encroaches our land......
I was totally blowed out as I saw some pics that Indian army having base camp in western part
of Nepal.............U know what it means........They claim that land

I dont believe how can u just neglect that and just praise indian government.............
u really suckkkkkkkkkkk
 
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Stop Listening too much indian songs and watching movies.
 
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to make our borders stronger we should make Nepal richer and we can do this by promoting the use of our enormous hydro power to the rest of the world. If we who are abroad start and lead a very promising and strong proposal to utilize the god gifted natural hydro resource. If we could start a programme here in the US and other western countries to unite together and start such a programme. For that we would need the support of a powerful company or country which is not intimidated by India's muscle and huge financial lead. When this gets rolling our country can sell our power generated to the rest of the world which will cut our dependence of India totally.Then we can flex our muscle back to those Indians who put armed forces on our border by putting better arms and even ask them to give our land back which was taken from us during the treaty................................So what do you guys think..????
 
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i think u woke up late this morning, dreaming all that goofy stuff. However, i do respect your thoughts.
 
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www.bordernepal.wordpress.com

 
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No this is a plan i tend to follow..............and i believe that this is our only best bet to outsmart India
 
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The Blog site of Nepali Border Specialist Mr. Buddhi Narayan Shrestha

http://ww.bordernepal.wordpress.com/
 
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Girija sold Nepal to India.

 
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January 5, 2007 at 4:54 pm
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Legitimacy of Lipulekh Pass

By Buddhi Narayan Shrestha

There was a series of Agreement/MOU/Memoranda/Protocol during the recent visit of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao to India. ‘Protocol on modalities for the implementation of confidence building measures in the military field along the line of actual control in the India-China border areas’ is one of them. In one of the sub-sections of the protocol, it is said ‘both sides agree in principle to expand the mechanism of border meeting points to include Kibithu-Damai in the eastern sector and Lipulekh Pass/Qiang La in the middle sector. The precise locations of these border meeting points will be decided through mutual consultations.’



The main intention of joint meeting is to minimize tensions between the two militaries and increase interactions between them, since border military personnel of the two sides may not happen to be in a face-to-face situation due to differences on the alignment of the line of actual control (LAC) in the border areas.



In the Nepalese perspective, there could be a question whether India and China need to obtain Nepal’s consent to hold meetings between their military forces at Lipulekh Pass ?



Lipulekh Pass is located at Nepal-China borderline however, Indian para-military force has occupied it since 1962. As the historical maps depict Nepal-China borderline runs not only to Lipulekh Pass including Kalapani area, but also extends westward up to Limpiyadhura.



If we have a look on the history of Sino-Indian border dispute, there was a brief but fierce fighting border war from October 20 to November 21, 1962. During the border war in the western sector, the Chinese forces marched up to the borderline shown in the Chinese maps ever since the Manchu Dynasty. India’s option was to defend on the McMahon Line as its northern boundaryline. The Chinese all-out counter-attacked along the entire Sino-Indian border. So Indian forces were compelled to retard back by heavy attack of the Chinese army. In connection to the Sino-Indian border war, the then Prime Minister Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru had said ‘Indian forces have been moving back bravely.’



When the loosing Indian military men were retarding back, they visualized Lipulekh Pass as a strategic point (5,029 m) located at the Nepalese frontier. They established a small camp at Kalapani area, ten kilometer west of Lipulekh. It is notable that there is a hillock (6,180 m) as a sensitive place at Kalapani. If someone gazes from this hillock, it could be recognized even posture and colour of men who have been travelling through Lipulekh Pass, so that the Indian army would be alert as per situation. In due course of time India deployed army battalions and constructed ten brick-built barrack houses with heating system and underground bunkers and three more buildings at Kalapani. There are modern arms and ammunitions including satellite communications.



The Nepalese nationals are not allowed to enter into Kalapani area and Lipulekh Pass, even those who go to Manasarowar and Kailash Parbat for pilgrimage. They are not permitted to cross Mathillo Kawa. They are diverted to trek through Tinkar Pass to Manasarowar. It has a great implication on Nepal’s territorial integrity. It is mysterious that Nepalese national could not travel through its sovereign land.



Regarding the issue of Lipulekh and Kalapani area, Nepal is in a sense negligent and heedless. It is not yet delineated the origination of river Mahakali, as the treaty of Sugauli-1816 says: Kali is the western border of Nepal with India. Nepal-India joint technical level boundary committee is working for the last twenty-three years but it is not ventured to delineate the source of the river.



In this scenario it will not be a diplomatically sound basis for China and India to fix their border meeting points at Lipulekh Pass to enhance confidence building measures in their military field. It is because of the reasons that Lipulekh belongs to Nepal in view of i) the internal details of historic maps of 1827 and 1856 published by British Survey of India. It was prepared during more or less close to the treaty of Sugauli. ii) the then Chinese Ambassador to Nepal Zeng Xu Yong has said ‘three decades and a half ago, when Nepal and China signed border agreement, Lipulekh pass was designated as the tri-junction between Nepal, India and China, according to which Kalapani area belongs to Nepal. However, during the agreement, older facts and evidences that extended Nepalese border to Limpiyadhura, the origin of Mahakali River, were largely ignored’ (Kantipur Daily, September 3, 1999). iii) the then Prime Minister of India I. K. Gujaral has said ‘as regards Kalapani, the technicians from both sides are engaged in the demarcation of border. If their reports conclude that the area belongs to Nepal, we will immediately withdraw from there’ (Gorkhpatra Daily, February 24, 1997). iv) tri-junctions (on both western and eastern segments) have not yet been demarcated due to India’s absence during Nepal-China border demarcation and Boundary Treaty-1961. v) issue of Lipulekh and Kalapani raised during Nepal-India joint border working group meetings, has not yet been resolved. The minute has been signed jointly mentioning that Nepal has strongly presented that ‘Kalapani belongs to Nepal.’ vi) Nepal-India joint press statement (March 23, 2002) during Nepalese Prime Minister’s visit to India says ‘the prime ministers also directed the joint working group of the joint technical-level boundary committee to expeditiously complete its examination of the facts relating to the alignment of the boundary in the western sector, including the Kalapani area, and in other pockets, where there were differences in perceptions of the two sides.’ vii) Nepal-India proposed joint global positioning survey and strip-mapping have not yet materialized due to controversy on the origination of the river Kali. Nepal seeks the spirit of the treaty of Sugauli and application of watershed principle to determine the source of river.



With all these facts and figures, Sino-Indian border meeting points must not take place at Lipulekh Pass or Kalapani (ten kilometers west of the pass). Because both the countries do not have the sovereign rights on Kalapani area. It seems that Taklakot of China (eight km from Lipulekh) should be the meeting place to enhance confidence building measures in their military field, since it is the business between India and China. It is because there is a provision in the said protocol that the precise locations of border meeting points could be decided through mutual consultations.



One important aspect is that China and India are not going to talk on the border dispute at Lipulekh Pass. It is only a confidence building measures in the military field. It is memorable that India-China Technical Level Joint Boundary Committee has not yet formed, since fifteen rounds of talk have been taken place between two countries.



However, China-India border meeting point at Lipulekh Pass for military confidence building is on the contrary of Nepal-China Boundary Treaty-1961. China should be careful on this matter to maintain the principle of Panchasheel. It is remarkable that in the case of China and Nepal, both the countries have agreed that ‘each side will no longer dispatch armed personnel to patrol the area on its side within twenty kilometers of the border’ as mentioned in the Article-IV of Sino-Nepal Boundary Agreement-1960.



Nepal belongs the most important role on this current issue. Government must conduct the diplomatic role. It must approach China reminding the policy and principle taken during China-Nepal border demarcation. At the same time it has to convince China expressing clear view of Nepal based on the historical and documented facts. Nepal must show its national interest on the territorial integrity and security of the nation.
 
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Indian Encroachment Threatening Nepal's Sovereignty:

By International Associate Press

According to official records, Nepal covers a total area of 147,181 Sq km. But in reality, the territory of Nepal is gradually shrinking thanks to increasing encroachment by India that has put the sovereignty of Nepal at stake.
The reports prepared by Buddhi Narayan Shrestha renowned border expert after thorough survey make it evident that India has encroached about 59,970 hectares of Nepali territory at 54 points in 21 districts adjoining India in the east, west and South. But if the areas affected by the unilateral activities of our southern neighbor such as construction of dams and irrigation projects are considered as encroachment, which according to researcher Phanindra Nepal, we should, the number increases to 85 points.
Among the encroached areas, the much disputed Kalapani-Limpiyadhura area with 372 sq km (37,800 hectares) is the largest chunk of Nepali territory encroached by India. The encroachment started right after the India-China border war of November 1962. After facing defeat, the Indian army set up a camp inside Nepal's territory of Kalapani to keep an eye on Chinese activities. But now, they claim the area belongs to India.
The Treaty of Sugauli (1816) has clearly mentioned that the River Mahakali is the borderline of Nepal-India. The crux of the issue in dispute is the determination of the origin of the river Mahakali. "The maps of 1850 and 1856 prepared by the Survey of India with the participation of Nepalese authority clearly states that the river originates from Limpiyadhura, 16 km northwest of Kalapani, which proves that Kalapani belongs to Nepal," says Shrestha.
But the Indian side refuses to accept those maps as proof. They say that the map prepared by them in 1875 should be considered as proof as it was scientifically prepared. But what is remarkable is that the map does not have Nepal's certification. According to the map, the river Mahakali's origin is Lepulek.
In recent times, the Tribeni-Susta situated on the east of Narayani River in the mid-southern part of Nawalparasi district is the most tense area owing to encroachment.
Just a few weeks ago, some Indians invaded Nepali territory in Susta and burnt down all the sugarcane.
About two months ago, over 1000 Indian villagers backed by Indian Border Police Force (Seema Sashastra Bal) SSB had forcibly entered Nepalese territory in Susta. They completely destroyed the sugarcane in about 10 hectares of land and also manhandled men and women.
According to locals of Susta, such incidents are rampant in the area. Sometimes, they send Bihari miscreants to chase away Nepalis from their homes while sometime the Indian police cross the border and manhandle Nepalis on the pretext that they are searching for Munna Khan, an Indian gangster, who was once used by the Indian side to create disorder in Susta, says Shrestha.
Nepali farmers initiated the "Save Susta Campaign" to safeguard Nepalese territory but how long can they stop the Indian side is the question. They say they appealed to Nepalese authorities several times to take necessary action but the authorities are turning a deaf ear to them.
Experts say the changing course of the Narayani River is the main reason behind the dispute. Over the decades, the Narayani River has been changing its course toward the Nepalese side in the west, and the Indians have been trying to capture Nepalese territory. India has so far grabbed about 13,500 hectares of Nepalese land because of this.
The other most talked about point of dispute is Mechi. India's disapproval of Masonry Pillars popularly known as Junge Pillars as the main boundary pillars had sparked the Mechi Border dispute.
The map published in January 1818, right after the Sugauli Treaty, shows the Junge Pillars as the main boundary pillars. More importantly, history is evidence that British had erected those pillars as monuments of the Nepal-India border.
But the Nepal-India Joint Technical Border Committee adopted the Persian Map (Urdu script) of 1874 as the reference material, which was provided by the Indian side.
Because of the Nepali side's wrong decision accepting the Persian Map as the basis of demarcation, a total area of 1630 hectares of land has fallen on the Indian side.
Why does India encroach Nepal's land?
Experts are of the view there could be multiple reasons why India eyes Nepali land.
If Phanindra Nepal is to be believed, India wants Kalapani area primarily to keep an eye on the Chinese, Pyaratal for its biological diversity, and a large part of terai land for agriculture," says Nepal. He also says it cannot be ruled out that a power and water hungry India is eyeing Nepal's rivers.
Shrestha also believes that the main reason for encroachment is that India wants to meet the demand for settlement and agriculture for its ever growing population.
What needs to be done to stop encroachment and solve dispute?
According to Shrestha the issue can no longer be solved though bilateral meetings as India is not paying heed to Nepal's point of view. "The issue must be taken to the United Nations as India is not responding to Nepal's call for bilateral meeting," says Shrestha.
But Phanindra Nepal is of the view that lack of sincerity and patriotism are the main drawbacks of the Nepali side while negotiating with their Indian counterparts. He also says collective effort is needed to face the Indian side strongly. "Because of the news carried by the media, government deployed security personnel in Susta area on 28 October," he adds that media should carry border dispute news more frequently.
Besides, civic society must also pressurize the government to take necessary steps soon, he adds.
But we are virtually doing nothing to stop the encroachment and to resolve the existing dispute. Researchers like Shrestha and Nepal say there are so many such points where not even one security personnel has been deployed to guard our territory and citizens.
Altogether, 27 Nepal-India Joint Technical Level Boundary Committee meetings have been held in the last 25 years but they have not yielded any result yet.
Nepaleyes tried to get comments from concerned government officials on the outcomes of those meeting and what the Nepali bureaucracy was planning to do to resolve the dispute, but none them could be reached despite repeated attempts.

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Truly....

Any Nepali Leaders Girija, Kirshna Kumar, Deuba, Madev...

Any government high authorities, Ministers...

Any government and non-government organizations...

Never Ever did - Raise voice, Issues, Concern, Technical survey of country of Nepal borders and lands.

It is very important, if we lose land.... there is no way to get back from India. I do not think neigbour like India favour Nepal for even a pint of dust.
 
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Read News.....

Nepali Governemnt’s dual character on Kalapani:

The present government has not shown much interest to remove the Indian soldiers from Kalapani. Though, PM Krishna Prasad Bhattarai a few days back said Kalapani belongs to Nepal and the government is committed to remove the Indian soldiers from there, but the PM’s statement that he had never known that Kalapani was in Nepal before he became prime minister, shows he sensitive the government is on the territorial integrity of the country.

There are historical proof that whenever there is Nepali Congress government in Nepal, Indian encroachment increases and Nepal has to lose at least something. Intellectuals have even begun to say that expecting the NC government to do anything in favour of Nepal in the Nepal-India issues is to forget the history completely. They have also said PM’s statement on Kalapani is only a ploy to attract popular sentiment towards the NC government. The government has not started any diplomatic initiative to resolve the Kalapani issue.

On the other hand, there are news of the Indian tradesmen and tourists going to Mansarovar in Tibet through Kalapani. The government here has not been able to say a word against India and China who are linking up for trade and tourism through Nepal without getting the permission of Nepal.

Bhattarai’s statement that he is an Indian supporter immediately after his appointment as PM, and now he being a mute spectator to the Indian encroachment on Nepali territory indicate serious threat to Nepal.

(Jan Bhawana, July 26, Monday)

source: http://www.nepalnews.com/contents/englishweekly/awake/1-92/f-pagers.htm
 
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India - Nepal Problems in borders and Rivers:

Nepal and India, two countries of South Asia, share one of the largest geohydrological regions called Ganga Brahmaputra Basin. Nepal covers a large part of the upper catchment of sub basin of Ganges River. Major rivers of the sub-basin like Mahakali, Karnali, Sapt Gandaki and Sapt Kosi originate from Trans-Himalaya region, cross Nepal and flow southwards to join Ganges in India, and so are international or trans-boundary in nature. Though Nepal occupies 13 percent of the total drainage of the Ganges basin, its contribution to the flow of Ganges river is much more significant, amounting to about 45 percent to its average annual flow. In the dry seasons, Nepal's contribution to the total run-off is as much as 70 percent. These hydrological features bind India and Nepal in a relationship of geographical interdependence and economic complementarities on of water resource development.

Although the potential for joint endeavors is considerable, the cooperation between these two countries on the issues related to water resource development has not been easy and forthcoming. Their efforts have been heavily influenced by geopolitics; marked by emphasis on historical wrongs (real and perceived), big-small country syndrome, failure in understanding each other's sensitivities, aggressive posture and negative approach. Major part of second half of last century was lost in the process, incurring huge opportunity cost of delay for both countries.

However, a new chapter in the Indo-Nepal relations was opened when the Mahakali Treaty was signed by the then Prime Minister of India Mr. P.V. Narsimha Rao, and the then Prime Minister of Nepal, Mr. Sher Bahadur Deuba, in February 1996 for joint utilization of trans-boundary water resources of the Mahakali River. The signing of Treaty was preceded not merely by intense negotiations between the two governments, the track II meetings, but also by extensive informal consultations covering all parties in Nepal, so as to facilitate the process of parliamentary ratification in Nepal.

Indo- Nepal Mahakali Treaty:

The Mahakali Treaty subsumes all other Indo-Nepalese agreements relating to downstream projects on the river, thus, it absorbs the regime established by the Sharda Treaty [1920]. It also validates the Tanakpur Agreement [1991], and endorses the idea of multipurpose Pancheswar Multipurpose Project.

The scope of the preamble of Mahakali Treaty is quite comprehensive. The treaty aims at “integrated development of the Mahakali River”. It emphasizes the determination of India and Nepal to promote and strengthen their relation of friendship and close neighboruliness for cooperation in the development of water resources. The preamble recognizes the river as a boundary river on major stretches3 in between the two countries to enter into Treaty on equal partnership to define their obligations and corresponding rights and duties with regard to utilization of water of Mahakali River.
A. Sharda Barrage: The first part of the Mahakali treaty deals with Sharda Barrage. It points out that Nepal shall have the right to supply of 1,000 cusecs of water from the Sharda Barrage in the wet season (May 15 to October 15), and 150 cusecs in the dry season (Oct. 16 to May 14). India is required to maintain a flow of no less than 350 cusecs downstream of Sharda Barrage in the Mahakali River to maintain and preserve the river ecosystem.

B. Sovereignty over Tanakpur Barrage: According to the Treaty, Nepal continues to exercise sovereignty over the land (2.9 hectare) needed for building the eastern afflux bund, as well as a hectare of the pondage area. The Treaty provided an enhanced package to Nepal, of 1,000 cusecs of water in the wet season and 300 cusecs in the dry season, and 70 million Kwhrs of electricity (as against the earlier agreed figure of 20 million Kwhrs) free of charge from the Tanakpur power station, with transmission line to its border. Half the incremental power generated at Tanakpur following augmentation of river flows with the commissioning of the Pancheswar dam will also be supplied to Nepal which will, however, bear half the operational and any additional cost. India will also construct an all weather road connecting the Tanakpur barrage to the Kingdom's East-West Highway, including several bridges en route. There is provision for the supply of 350 cusecs of water for the irrigation of Dodhara Chandni area.

C. Pancheswar: The dream Indo-Nepal border project- This is the most important content of the treaty in joint trans-boundary water resource development of India and Nepal. The Mahakali agreement, and the letters exchanged in relation thereto, provide for a joint Indo-Nepal Hydroelectric project on Mahakali River on the basis of a 50:50 cost benefit split. The Mahakali River is a major transboundary river basin between India and Nepal. It forms the western international border of Nepal with India. Starting from Apihimal, the river flows in a gorge section in the upper region. The Mahakali after it flows into India is known as Sharda, which meets the Karnali (Ghaghra) in Indian territory. The river basin has a total drainage area of 15,640 km2, about 34per cent of which lies in Nepal.

The proposed dam will straddle the border, which lies along the median point of the river. Two power stations are projected, one on either bank, with an overall installed peaking capacity, between 5,500 and 6,480 MW at 20 per cent load factor. A re-regulating dam could be built either at Poornagiri or further upstream at Rupali Gad to hold the waters passing through the Pancheswar turbines and provide regulated back season release to irrigate designated commands in Nepal and India. They have also agreed to have “equal entitlement in the utilization of the waters of the Mahakali River “without prejudice to their respective existing consumptive uses”. Besides, they agreed to implement the project in all such sectors as power, irrigation, flood control, etc. as per the Detailed Project Report [DPR] to be prepared jointly by them1. The Pancheswar dam will also provide a modest flood cushion.

As Pancheswar project is a joint project located on boundary, some general principles applicable to border rivers are laid down. The principles are elaborated in a side letter exchanged by the two prime ministers. The principles commit both sides to design and operate the project as a single, integrated scheme to yield, “the maximum total net benefits accruing to them”. The power benefit is to be assessed on the basis of saving in costs as compared with the relevant alternatives available.

The treaty envisages basin development under the aegis of a binational Mahakali Commission, which shall be guided by the principles of equality, mutual benefit and no harm to either party. The Pancheswar project is to be implemented by a joint Pancheswar Development Authority to be set up under an agreed schedule from the date of the treaty's entry into force to develop, execute and operate the Pancheswar project. The treaty has a life of 75 years. There are provisions for review after 10 years and independent arbitration of disputes, with the chairperson being named, if necessary, by the Secretary General of the permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague2.

The treaty has been welcomed by a large number of people on both sides of the border. Many Nepalese experts say the Treaty has successfully broken the impasse created by a legacy of entrenched views on national lines on both sides and finds both sides as winners. The treaty is a first in many ways, primarily in laying down the principles that as a boundary river on large stretches. The principles will influence inevitably to all future water resource agreements between India and Nepal. The Mahakali treaty entered into force on June 5, 1997, the date the instruments of ratification were exchanged by both parties. Although there still are several unclear provisions and incomplete arrangements, the Mahakali Treaty has provided a mechanism for reinforced legal collaboration between India and Nepal on the Mahakali River.

Problem of Ambiguities:

Though the treaty is formally in operation now, the implementation of provisions has been very slow due to disagreement over interpretation of the provisions. Most of disagreements are about implementation of Pancheswar project. The provisions contained in the Treaty lack specificity. This has left room for ambiguity and controversy in the interpretation of the Treaty. The differences that have emerged in the post

Treaty period are:

Status of River and Equal Sharing: With regard to the Treaty there is a difference between the Indian and Nepalese views on what the “equal sharing” implies. The Treaty reads “Mahakali is a boundary river on major stretches”. One of the strictures passed along with ratification of Treaty in Nepalese Parliament says,' it means Mahakali is basically a border river. India doesn't agree to this interpretation. The mention of Mahakali River as boundary river might have created a psychological level playing field at the time of signing of Treaty but now it has become source of contention. The Nepalese draw the inference that it belongs equally to the two countries, and therefore, half of the waters of the river belong to Nepal. The treaty recognizes, in principle, Nepalese experts argue, that “Each country own 50 per cent of water”, citing the (1) wordings of preamble i.e. equal partnership to define their obligations and corresponding rights and duties (2) Article 3 on Pancheswar project, i.e. parties will have equal entitlement in utilisation of water of Mahakali (3) Article 5, i.e. water requirement of Nepal shall be given prime consideration in the utilization of waters of Mahakali. (4) Cost sharing formula of project4.

Indian water resources expert argue that (1) “there is no warrant for drawing this kind of an inference. The river can be used by the two countries but does not belong to either; (2) any doctrine of ownership of flowing water and the implied right of the upper riparian to 'sell' the water so owned to the lower riparian (who would in any case receive that water naturally by gravity flow) seems non-maintainable. (3) Equal sharing really applies to the incremental benefits and costs attached with Pancheswar project5.
These divergence of interpretations need to be sorted out through amicable discussions.
Protection of Consumptive Uses - There is a major difference of opinion between Indian and Nepalese water resource experts about defining the “existing uses” that must be deemed to be protected by the Treaty6.

The Nepalese experts complain that in the Treaty only the Nepal's existing consumptive uses have been quantified, without quantifying India's usage7. According to the Treaty, the sharing of the capital costs of the Pancheshwar project would be in the proportion of the relative incremental benefits, have to be reckoned after protecting existing consumptive uses of the waters of the Mahakali. Nepal's water demands present no problem and are to be met in full. India's Upper Sharda command of 1.6 mha supplied from Banbassa is also protected. Nepal, however, argues that the 2 mha irrigated from the Lower Sharda Barrage, 160 kms. further downstream, is outside the scope of the “Mahakali” agreement and not a protected existing use. This system primarily depends on water diverted from the Karnali (Ghaghra) at Girjapur through the Sharda Sahayak link for over eight months in the year. But it indents on Sharda supplies during the monsoon between July and October when the Karnali carries a lot of silt.
Nepal, however, claims a half share in the incoming river flows between Pancheswar and Banbassa on the “equal entitlement” principle within the common boundary segment of the Mahakali. Indian water resource expert B.G. Verghese feels that Nepal is vaguely asserting the right to ownership of the natural flows of the river, or the discarded Harmon Doctrine, which is untenable principle in emerging international water law. Nepalese water resources experts view that Lower Sarda command area is well below the common border and the treaty covers only the Mahakali River as a border river. Secondly, this matter was never on the agenda during the conclusion of the Treaty and was brought before HMG/N notice only during informal and formal discussion with the officials in Nepal. Nepalese experts also disagree with India's selective reference of Helsinki Rules and now new UN convention for the rights of farmers in the Lower Sarda Canal region, in a situation when India abstained from the voting. Further, they argue that “Prior Appropriation” principle has never been advocated in Kosi and Gandak (revised) Treaties earlier. The absence of quantification of existing water uses of India or even methodology of assessment in the Treaty are extended as arguments for rejection of Prior Appropriation principle in case of Mahakali River8. These are the reasons Nepal did not accept India's claims.

However, experts in Nepal, like Pashupati S. Rana, while explaining why existing consumptive use of water in India has been approved of point out “according to generally accepted principle of water consumption having followed for year, the prior right of any country is ipso facto established in the consumption of such water. Hence the prior right of India has in principle been established over the water of the Mahakali River that the country has been consuming from time immemorial9.

The recognition of existing consumptive use would have implications for the calculation of irrigation benefit and the “real issue” of sharing the cost of the Pancheswar Project on the basis of the benefits accruing to the either party. If India uses more than its half share of Pancheswar/Mahakali waters it should be prepared to pay a proportionately larger part of irrigation/water component of the project. Regarding the apportioning of the cost of Pancheswar project the DPR report prepared by Nepal indicates about 60 percent of the cost of the project, was to go to hydropower and the remaining 40 per cent to irrigation and flood control. The corresponding figures prepared by Indian technical personnel and brought for discussions at the meeting of Joint Group of Experts (JGEs) are 85 percent and 15 percent respectively, which has remained a point of difference between the two countries. There is a strong feeling in Nepal that such apportioning is guided by India's stand on the prior use of water in the command area of the lower Sarda10.

The Kalapani Issue:

Though there is no direct relation of Pancheswar with Kalapani, one of the strictures11 passed along on Mahakali in Nepalese Parliament relates with this territorial dispute. The Nepalese object to the Indian military presence in the area called Kalapani. Either the area in question is part of Indian territory or it is not. Indian experts feel that “if the area lies in Indian territory the Indian military presence there is a matter of no consequence to Nepal; if it is a Nepalese territory, India has no business to be there. This is a matter to be resolved with reference to old records, documents, maps, survey reports, etc. The dispute needs to be settled quickly in spirit of good will and not allowed to fester12. Nepalese experts complain that Indians have misunderstood the Nepali sensitivity on the issue. Nepal wants India to adhere to status quo position principle, which it demonstrated on border disputes with Bangladesh and Pakistan. Nepal seeks return of Indian army to the pre 1968 position13. Indian experts argue that nothing is gained by arousing emotion over Kalapani issue and this has nothing to do with implementation of the Mahakali Treaty.

Phasing of the Project: A more technical difference relates to the phasing of the project and preference of site for the re-regulating structure. India, initially, conceived an installed capacity of 2000 MW, rising in one or two further stages to anywhere between 5000 to 6000 MW. This was related to the need to investigate and construct a re-regulating dam below the main dam to store and make controlled release of water passing through the Pancheswar turbines to meet the irrigation schedules of commands below. Nepal prefers maximising the estimated 6480 MW potential in one go to secure “maximum total net benefit”.

Two possible sites are being discussed for the re-regulating structure. The first, at Rupali Gad, would generate 240 MW and have limited storage on account of its lower height (60 m) and proximity to Pancheswar. India says that the storage this site offers will not meet the irrigation demand. Indian experts prefer further downstream site at Poornagiri for re-regulating structure as this would permit construction of a 180m high dam, provide adequate storage and support a power plant with an installed capacity of 1000 MW. Nepal fears that dam at Poornagiri would inundate 250,000 hectares of fertile land and displace 56,000 people from Nepal hills14. A perception has emerged in Kathmandu that while Nepal is keen on energy export to India, New Delhi looks Pancheswar project structure basically to irrigate vast tracts of land in Indian political heartland of Uttar Pradesh.

For the Nepalese, Rupali Gad was the preferred site during the negotiation of the Treaty. The re-regulating a dam sites can be investigated, detailed project reports prepared and work completed within the eight years it will take to complete the Pancheswar Dam.

Power Tariff: The side letter to the Mahakali Treaty says that the power benefit is to be assessed on the basis of saving its cost as compared to relevant alternatives available15. Nepalese infer it as an 'avoided cost principle' i.e. India has to pay the price according to the cost of generating the power through alternative means. Dr. Prakash Chandra Lohani, Nepalese diplomat writes “Nepal sells 3,000 MW power from Pancheshwar that will be a saving for India. In the absence of this option, India ought to have generated 3,000 MW of power from coal, which might be costing four rupees for generating one kilowatt of power16.

Indians argue that the alternative means can be other HEPs, gas based projects, thermal projects and not necessarily the thermal source only. They are also uncomfortable with Nepal's tendency to gloat over the 'avoided cost principle' victory. Further, if the generation cost at Pancheswar is lower, the gain would surely have to be shared between the two countries. Instead of hypothetical considerations the price of power should be based on mutual negotiation. The price of power should be based on economic considerations, thus it means to be attractive enough to Nepal to undertake the big project and, simultaneously, it should be affordable enough to India to warrant purchase from this source.

Whether the heads of ambiguities were deliberately kept as cushion to absorb the possible opposition to the project particularly emanating from domestic politics of Nepal or they were due to a lack of time, can be issues of post analysis or research. At the time of signing of Treaty they definitely played facilitatory role but now they are matters of tough bargaining and negotiation. But these differences in opinion and interpretation of Mahakali Treaty are not insurmountable if both countries cooperate in good faith to carry out the Treaty benefits. Despite several unclear provisions and incomplete arrangements, the Mahakali Treaty has provided a mechanism for a reinforced legal collaboration. The Mahakali Treaty has a provision for the establishment of a joint Indo Nepalese Commission called the Mahakali River Commission (MRC). The commission is guided by the principle of equality, mutual benefit and no harm to either countries and has been assigned a broad mandate. Beyond commission the dispute resolution mechanism envisaged by the Mahakali Treaty is relatively elaborate and advanced. Unfortunately MRC has not been constituted yet. Once MRC is constituted we can expect greater standard of efficiency over implementation of the Treaty, at raising funds, identifying and recommending solutions to the outstanding issues17. But creation of Mahakali Commission can itself require great political consensus as composition of the commission has not been specified. Stricture passed in the Nepal parliament says that Nepal's representative in commission should be named by government with the consent of the main opposition and other national parties- recurrent absence of elected government in Nepal makes consensus difficult.

Baggage of Past:
Despite huge potentialities and commonalities of objectives, water resource development has faced many setbacks due to political and economic factors that acted against the interests of the two countries. Nepal's complaint about getting unfair deal or being cheated in earlier treaties like, The Kosi Treaty (1954) and the Gandak Treaty (1959), cast its shadow over future collaborations. Nepal water resource experts complained about unilateral initiatives of India, nominal and delayed compensations, disregard for Nepal's interest and unequal benefits. These projects created ill feeling and mistrust between two nations leading to a big gap in joint water resource development initiatives.

The efforts between the two countries have suffered due to twin factors. Firstly, policy makers of India for long failed to understand apprehensions of the smaller neighbor. Nepal, a small kingdom, sandwiched between two giant nations has its own world view. India took Nepal for granted on many occasions. Secondly, Nepal overemphasized sovereignty issues and nursed the grudge and mistrust for long. The history of negotiations regarding water projects on Indo Nepal transboundary waters got dominated by controversies primarily due to perceptional difference and the blame game instead of technical difficulties.

The Nepalese believe that India is draining Nepal's watershed for its own benefit. Nepalese also blame that Indian water resource bureaucracy has shown business as usual approach combined with arrogance of power and a secretive attitude. The influence of geopolitics in Indo Nepal water resource development has been disproportionate and troublesome. Nepalese have long viewed India as a hegemonic power that arm-twists neighbours for unfair agreements. While Nepal showed disenchantment over joint water resource projects, irritant also arose in bilateral relation due to Nepal's balancing act with China and turbulence in domestic politics of the kingdom.

India, in turn, blames Nepal as suffering from small country syndrome, imagining non-existent conspiracies and ignoring India's contribution in different sector of economy of Nepal. Further, fragile and unstable political uncertainties in Nepal also played a role in fueling anti-Indian sentiments.

Decades have been lost due to prolonged discussions and Nepal's cautious and deliberate low profile approach. Both the parties are aware of past misgivings, however the negotiations over Mahakali will require out of box thinking to avoid burden of history.

Media: Critical yet neglected actor:
In transboundary water resources development, planning, geography, politics and technology play major role. However, due to the nature of the resource, asymmetry in size and power, post-colonial era international relations- public opinion has become an important factor. Public perception, information, communication and dissemination thus formed, has become important in the development process. But these rarely figure during project planning stages. Only when a debate and the resulting conflict reach a dead end, the need for information and communication is felt. In many ways disregard of media has impeded development of water resource for cooperative bilateral and regional development. Media coverage on water resources in Nepal is generally replete with sentimentality and concerns. Many times such sentiments are genuine, but the often are alarmist.

The reporting on Pancheswar in some of the newspapers, which are backed by opposition political parties, had little to do with water resources. Instead, they read like campaigns aimed at creating a climate for political vendetta. The slogans “what oil is to Middle East, water is for Nepal” or “water is Nepal's strategic resource” have done more harm than good. It has made transboundary water resource an issue of domestic politics. The intense politicisation of the Pancheswar, reflexing to what the opposition in Nepal refers to as “sell-out” has masked the basic issues in water resource development. Unfortunately, the opponents of the project in Nepal are being glorified as nationalists by a section of reporters. This definitely affects moral and commitment of negotiators from our smaller neighbor as they have to interact with extreme cautiousness and apprehension. Even after striking best possible trade off, they may be labelled as negotiators who sold out national interest.

Information management has emerged as one of the pre-requisite in transboundary water resource development and management in the Ganga-Brahmaputra basin, for more objective information dissemination. The impact of information on issues, which have cross border implications, till now, has been poorly understood and incorporated. The setting up of national and regional water resources centers, even one at the international level could help build trust specially in sharing scientific information between experts and the media. Such an institution should encourage participation of professionals from the private and NGO sector in a more productive manner. Further breakthrough may be possible through increased interaction among the media representatives across the border. Journalists from Nepal should be encouraged to write and present their views in Indian papers and vice-versa.

Moving Ahead:
The provisions of Mahakali Treaty show that water resources technicians, bureaucrats, policy planners from both sides have learnt a lot from mistakes. They have become much mature in developing legal instruments. At a time when international water rights were essentially based on customary law for which river related to consumptive use have attempted to tackle issues pertaining to non-consumptive uses of water. Further, now we have international conventions and laws as reference frameworks for negotiation on water rights, allocations, management, planned operational measures and dispute resolution. A great deal of time and energy has already been invested in evolving a framework of cooperation in water resources. It is high time to take concrete steps to consolidate and move forward rather than continue with stale arguments. Instead of putting general and vague points view of mutual cooperation, clear ideas, explicit methods and tactical approaches will serve more in the long run.

Though there are disagreements over various provisions of the Treaty, a common ground can be created by mutual consultations. Fortunately, intensive Track II level interaction has been going on between India and Nepal. Water resources experts from both countries have been working with great perseverance to create facilitating atmosphere for early implementation of Mahakali Treaty. Some early steps that can be taken to accelerate the process are:

1.Both Governments must set a target date for completion of detailed project report [DPR] including an integrated Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) component and siting of the re-regulating dam. This can be facilitated by an early meeting of the Joint group of Experts/Secretaries and re-establishment of Joint Mahakali Project Office.

2.There is a need to build awareness about project benefits and the opportunity cost of delay at both political and people's level. The political consensus which led to the signing and ratification of the Mahakali Treaty needs to be frequently motivated and strengthened by institutionalizing a mechanism for regular political contact at the national level and between the two countries.

3.In the event of delay in implementation of Treaty, an opportunity lies for both governments to develop necessary pre investment infrastructure (like road, communications, townships and the mobilization of equipment etc.) concurrently with the completion of the DPR.

4.An early establishment of the Mahakali Commission will greatly assist in resolving difference over Treaty implementation. The commission should be a broad based body with eminent persons, including those from the Mahakali region. Its constitution will provide valuable oversight in completing the DPR and assist in resolving differences over treaty implementation.

5.Both Governments must act to implement the provision of [A] - article 2.2[a], which will make water available to Nepal from the Tanakpur barrage18. [B]-Article 1.2 of the treaty which calls for maintaining releases of water from the Sarada barrage in order to preserve the river Ecosystem19. It will help in creating mutual trust and confidence.

6.There is a further need for Nepal and India to expedite technical and other details for the supply of water to the Dodhara-Chandani Area.

7.Institutions from both sides must come forward to strengthen the track II process to supplement the government level interactions and assist in the resolution of pending issues. So it would be useful to undertake studies of international experience in cost/benefit sharing and other issues relevant to the implementation of the Mahakali Treaty.

Nepal wants equal sense of participation, both in words and action, in planning and implementation of water resource projects. Such projects are based on mutual interests and reciprocities, and thus they are not client-patron situations. When two sovereign entities with highly asymmetrical size and capacities are negotiating on joint projects, attitudes and sensitivities play critical role. Indian side particularly diplomats must take care while interacting/negotiating with Nepalese counterparts. Realization of water resource projects requires diplomacy, bargaining skill and an astute vision for spin-offs.

Conclusion:

There is an impasse over Pancheswar Border project. It is largely a product of disagreement over interpretations of the provisions of the Treaty. Leaving too much unspecified elements in the international treaties particularly on issues like cost-benefit sharing can complicate the implementation process. It becomes even tougher in those regions which have had a history of complain and mistrust.

Fortunately, negotiators from both countries agree that earlier settlement of the ambiguous/contentious issues and implementation of the project can offer immense possibilities to the people. It can contribute significantly towards water and energy security to achieve the common objectives of Nepal and India to alleviate poverty and improve the quality of life of the people living in one of the most backward regions. To realize this dream project, negotiators from India and Nepal will require positive approach, genuine understanding of each other is concern and a dialogue with an open mind, to have meaningful and fruitful cooperation. Trust and transparency not only help to get rid of the irritants but also facilitate the implementation of other agreed projects or those, under study. Further, we must not miss the larger picture that the successful water resource development and management can become the nucleus of wider cooperation in the other areas of bilateral relations.

South Asian Journel-
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I have a list of probable solution for all our problems. They channel through the concepts of Hinduism and Buddhism which is also our only linkage with India. These concepts mixed with modernization should release Nepal from Sati ko Sarap.
For a successful Nepal India relationship and development I give you a 15 point program.
1) Hindu Nationalist BJP is to come into power in India.
2) The post of the President of India is to be abolished.
3) The wish of his holiness Shankaracharya, who has repeatedly declared the King of Nepal as the King of all Hindus living in the world, has to be implemented.
4) Thus, the King of Nepal is to be the ceremonial head of both Nepal and the Kingdom of India.
5) Both Nepal and India are to be declared Hindu Kingdoms.
6) Nepal cannot prosper without a conservative Hindu leader taking control of Delhi. The leader to be the next prime minister of India should be Uma Bharatri, who will treat all Hindus and Buddhists as they deserve.
7) All communists (both radical and liberal) must be sent to Gulag, for coining the word.
8) All minority religions are to be treated justly. They are to be respected as our own. However, there shall be no special treatment.
9) Anyone holding political, civil or administrative office is to declare their property before the elections or oath of office, (as applicable). Any unjustified additions beyond, should automatically result in apprehension of all their property in addition to a compulsory jail time.
10) Anyone holding office as the Member of Parliament, Secretary of any commission or Department and Foreign Appointments must have a Masters degree in any field of their choice. If not they are to be subjects of encouragement to go to college while in office. The government should take the education tab for such ignorant politician(s).
11) Minimum wage, maximum working hours and basic healthcare is to be provided for free to all citizens .This is to start with renovation if Bridhashram (old Age House) next to Pashupati. Subsequently, with time caste system is to be abolished for real.
12) Government is to take the education tab for primary and secondary education. It should increase the standard of its schools so that everyone would feel comfortable sending their children to a government school (rich and poor alike). In short, shut down pvt. schools not by force, but by market competition.
13) A national database is to set up that would record all possible information starting from drivers license, land ownership documentation, citizenship, probably sajha bus pass and may be (when we are at it) a govt. of Nepal issued credit/debit card.
14) All promotions and demotions of people holding public office should be public and on a point basis system.
15) Media is to be held responsible to make sure that all these guidelines are being met.
 
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If only exterme conservative Hindu Leaders or run Nepal by them.

There will be No Democracy in Nepal.

Nepal has failed so many Democracy, put country backward becuase of too many criminals and corrupted Hindu Leaders in Nepali government and political parties.

All Hindus look at ....

Gayane, Girija, Dueba, Krishne, Paras, Madav, Surye ..... all are exterme conservative Hindu... but all crooks...
 



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