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Posted on 12-21-12 7:42 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am having this urge to return back for good. But of course i wonder if i will regret my decision. Has anyone returned back from foreign country for good? I don't mean those who are citizens abroad and can return back but those who have left for good giving up their GC or citizenship abroad. Does anyone else have this urge?. I also think about the problems in Nepal which i suppose will only get worse. So anyone out there who made this decision to return?
 
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If youve good savings, and good deal of property in nepal .i.e your family is rich, and your'e not doing much in the US, then you might be better off returning to Nepal.

if you've thought through many reasons why most Nepalese want' to go out, then you may go back.
few reaasons are
- high inflation but not much raise in income.
- no real honor of rule of law, or justice. 
- electritiy out most of the day or night every week.
- bad smell when you pass through any bridge.
- dust everywhere
- broken roads, 
- garbage is seen everywhere.
the list goes on and on.

so if you think you can deal with it, then go ahead. 

 
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Another one got homesick during christmas lol. It will fade out once the holiday season is over.

 
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Problems in Nepal are not going to vanish just by pointing them out or by comparing how bad Nepal's situation is with what's here in the US. Whether or not you'll be able to live happy in Nepal depends a lot more on you than on the environment. To all youths like me who have abandoned Nepal for many different reasons, here's something you should read:


“Nepal ma ayera k garne? Kaam nai chaina? Desh ko haalat pani khattam cha.”

 
 
 

So let’s start at the beginning: coming back to Nepal. Why did I do it? I wasn’t sure of what I would do or what I would become after coming home. To tell the truth, I still don’t think I’ve figured that out completely. What I did know back in the summer of 2010, though, is that I no longer wanted to be working in the United States. There, I came to question not only myself, but all of my colleagues as well: all of us, that is, who were working hard to get a job, keep a job, get an H1B visa, get a green card, etc. What was the purpose of it all? Why were we so desperate to leave home and work/live in a foreign country? Why am I paying taxes that, in part, help take care of an older American generation that didn’t help raise me? Why am I contributing to the economy of a country that doesn’t need my help at all, and ignoring my home country, which could benefit tremendously from what I have to offer? I don’t mean to sound overly confident (in thinking that Nepal will benefit enormously more due to my return), but I do believe that my contribution does, and will, make a participatory difference.

Every high school reunion, I find myself and my friends struggling to figure out who all out of our batch are here, and who is abroad. When we do realize that someone’s come back-and especially when we meet them the first question that comes to our minds concerns when they’re going to return. We automatically assume, in other words, that they’re not staying here. This is a problem. If you ask someone if they are coming back to stay and work here, their first reaction is, “Nepal ma ayera k garne? Kaam nai chaina? Desh ko haalat pani khattam cha.” They’re quick to point out the mistakes and flaws of this country, and they show the slightest interest or sense of responsibility in lending a helping hand to fixing the problems. This, I think, is the real problem: a lack of participation from the people that we need the most.

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We can all relate to this: over 75% of our friends, the ones we graduated high school with, are no longer in Nepal. Where are they? Doesn’t really matter. What matters is that they aren’t here. All the students who got good grades in school, good SAT and TOEFL scores, got into an American college, got a degree, a job, a work visa, and maybe even get a green card, were all good students. They were the students who were told they were the future of this country. They were given confidence and assured that they would someday become successful leaders of this community. I think it’s safe to assume that no parent, no teacher, no counselor, or no principal ever told any of those students that they would grow up to be the working horses of some other country; that they would bear the burden of developing further a country other than their own, and one far less in need of development. Every student capable of getting a good job and performing well enough to make progress in their field has left Nepal, and most of them don’t ever want to come back. So who is left? Who are the people here, those given the responsibility of upholding the future of Nepal? The people who didn’t have the ability or resources to leave the country? Well done Nepal… well done.

When I was in the US, there was a popular phrase used by Americans partially to blame their financial meltdown on someone else – someone other, that is, than themselves. They used to say: “the immigrants are stealing our jobs.” I guess they were right (to a certain extent), but I don’t really know if the saying, or the blame, contributed all that much to the overall unemployment rate, much less to dealing with the financial downturn. However, I can confidently say that they (the USA along with other developed nations) are stealing the future and development of our country. They have been successfully tempting the future generation, the one that we depend on, to come work for them, to pay them their tax money, and to posses no electoral voice whatsoever regarding how that tax money should be spent. Actually, no, let me correct myself: I don’t think that they’re stealing our future generation. Instead we are gift wrapping it, and sending it overseas ourselves. I mean, the guy at the US embassy asked all of us if we were coming back after our studies in the US. We all smiled, nodded our heads, and answered with the most patriotic ‘yes’. No, they are not stealing our able youth or the light of our bright future, we are giving it away for free – actually we are paying them to take it away from us. Thousands of dollars are spent on a child’s preparation to go to a US college, on embassy interviews, plane tickets, college tuition, room and board, food, entertainment, and other miscellaneous spending. Need I remind you of the exchange rate? These are millions of hard earned Nepali rupees being transferred from one of the poorest and least developed countries to one of the richest and most highly developed ones. And what are we getting in return for these insane investments? Abandonment!

Why is everyone so excited to abandon his or her “developing” country and move to a “developed” one? Maybe they are under the assumption that a developed country has more opportunities to offer them than a developing one. To tell you the truth, my life wasn’t all that different in the US than it is here. I wasn’t eating off of a golden plate, showering in a golden bathroom, or driving a gold car. I was eating similar food, worked similar hours, slept in a similar bed, and made a comparable amount of money (except that I was earning and spending in dollars, of course). I barely had any money left to put into my savings after spending it on rent, food, petrol, health insurance, car insurance, clothes, and whatnot. So it’s safe to say that I wasn’t a part of the group that sends remittance money back to Nepal either. Those I’ve been discussing in this article are like me in this regard too: they don’t belong to the remittance group either. So what are the benefits of living and working in the developed world? Honestly, not much. Nevertheless, there are innumerable benefits of working here in Nepal. First of all, the difference is now I work for myself, for my people, for my country, and for the future of the place that holds the roots of my past. Everything I earn and spend is poured back in to the local economy. Going back to the reference of calling Nepal a “developing” country, this is an economy with endless opportunities. This is an unsaturated market for new ideas, and even old ideas recycled with a new plan. This is a market where you can experiment and implement your ideas. I see the developed world as a saturated market that asks you to follow the path that they have created to generate the optimal return. Deviation will not be tolerated.

Actually there is a bigger and more significant difference between my experiences in the US and those I’ve had over the past few years in Nepal. This difference is the enthusiasm and interest of people who want to help me, and see me succeed. Working in the US I had to perfect what they call “elevator speech”. Basically I had 15 seconds to convince a person that what I had to offer was beneficial to them. Those 15 seconds would determine if I would get a meeting or not. Those people didn’t owe me anything, not even 10 minutes of their time, and it was up to me to convince them otherwise. Clearly those people never felt like they needed to support me. Why would they? I don’t blame them for thinking that way. Who was I to them? What was our relation? No one, nothing. My experience in Nepal has been the exact opposite. The majority of people have provided me with nothing other than their full support. It seems that I belong to a very limited and endangered species: the farkeka nepali. The generation that controls the present seems to be more than merely interested in our business. Every person I’ve approached, for example, has agreed to a meeting after a quick conversation. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that people in Nepal don’t want to be impressed, they ask for the 15 seconds elevator speech too; it’s just that they are more willing to give you a chance. I did still have a compelling and impressive project that got their attention. It’s just that I did not have to bend over backwards and then some more to get their attention and their time. This was the first step: getting my foot in the door. Once they heard my ideas and felt my determination, they overwhelmed me with advice, suggestions, and, perhaps best of all, vote of confidence.

It didn’t take much time to create a network of successful businessmen and women who were willing to help me pursue my goals. Why is that? It didn’t take much to realize that I already had a pre-established network in this city. This network came from my family and the friends that I had made throughout my life. This is the network that I will never be able to find and replace in any part of the world. This reliable and supportive network isn’t just unique to me. I am confident that audience that I refer to in this article has a pre-established network like mine, if not better. That ladder to success is steep, and filled with enough hurdles anywhere you are. However, the climb becomes easier when there are people at the top, throwing you a line and directing your ascent. This opportunity, I’ve come to realize, is virtually impossible to find anywhere else in the world.

Everybody helps his or her own kind. It’s a natural bias we have to learn to take advantage of. We all have ideas and plans; what we need are people with experience who are willing to listen, and people who genuinely want to see us succeed. The older, successful generation here wants to help us, and show us the right path. They want to believe that there is a new generation worth passing the torch to. They want to believe that we will achieve greater heights than them, and further develop the community we all belong to. So why don’t we take advantage of a generation of leaders who care? I definitely do not suggest that we need to be spoon-fed and carry on what they have already established. However, there is no shame or harm in accepting their support and knowledge to better your project and refine your ideas. This is why I decided to start my own company and pursue my own goals. I decided not to walk on pre-existing paths that were laid out by my parents, but instead create my own path. Nevertheless, I was never too proud to ask for guidance from the experienced. This has been undoubtedly the most important and beneficial decision that I have made yet. I chose to start my own company as an entrepreneur; however, I don’t think that the scenario will be much different for someone who wants to find a job and work as an employee instead.

In conclusion, what I am trying to say is this: in the past few years I have come to believe in this country, and the endless opportunities that it has to provide the next generation. I’ve also come to realize the extremely costly resources we are continually losing to foreign nations. We worry that we’re not using our natural water resources to their fullest capabilities, but fail to understand that we’re losing our most precious resource of all: our educated youths. So, if anything, our responsibility is to protect this resource. I don’t mean to say that our young people shouldn’t go abroad to study and gain work experience. However, I am saying that they should all return after a certain period, and work towards the development of our country. It’s our responsibility to understand this, and to make our friends realize it as well. If each one of us could successfully convince 4 or 5 of our friends to return and work here, or to start a business, then we would surely be on the fast track to a better future. I don’t intend to give my friends a long patriotic speech, nor do I think that’s the best means for convincing others. Instead, by achieving more here than I would have been able to in the US, I want to prove them wrong, to show them that all hope isn’t lost. Show them that we, in fact, are the hope. My own success will certainly change the perception of those closest to me. My younger cousins will then say that they too want to return home after their education and work training abroad, to follow in my footsteps. In this way, we can be an inspiration to our friends and families abroad, and those here who plan someday to go abroad, and know, ourselves, that we are doing our part for the development of our country.

Author’s Pen Name: Bal Baahu

Since the author wanted to remain anonymous, SarSallah (सरसल्लाह) cannot reveal author’s name.
Source: http://sarsallah.com/returnin-back-to-nepal/

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Posted on 12-21-12 8:32 PM     [Snapshot: 80]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Why would you want to go back? Didn't you just start a thread on the need for freedom to reproduce and how you despised people meddling in your maternal/paternal rights...? Either you misread someone's advice or you're seriously lacking in perspective. Or perhaps you want to go back to be the voice of change, in which case more power to you.

 
Posted on 12-21-12 9:21 PM     [Snapshot: 111]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yes those who go out for studies says to the consular that they will return after finishing studies.
Those who did not return are big liers. lol
At least the consular will be happy that you are the truthful person. what you said in the interview you did it.  

Our such a meaningful life wasted for ourselves to get relax life abroad while our parents are struggling alone in day to day hassle in our under developed country. मुटु नै चसक्क हुने |लु जानुस भोलि नै जानुस तपाइलाई कसैले रोकेको छैन except dollars.

 
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My take on this has always been the same - if you don't come from a family with a decent Financial status, it'd be really stupid of you to return home permanently (unless you're working menial jobs and struggling to maintain your immigration status). You can literally forget about making money to not just support your parents and spouses (and kids) and on top of that, buying land and other fixed assets. For women, Nepal has/was and will continue being a shit-hole thanks to us, men making Nepal a predominantly male-dominated society. 

I'm sure you know of people who've returned home permanently, but from my own personal experience, my acquaintances who seem to have peace of mind are the ones who returned home right after college or completed their pursuit of higher education and always had a backup plan (in most cases, it's the affordability to live off parental properties/income). When you work hard to get great grades through your undergrad and grad school years, does your potential earning back home do justice? Why'd you wanna quit your job that pays you anywhere from 60-100k per year? 

From my own perspective, I'm sort of 'thankful' that I'm not tied/committed (no kids, no job related to my speciality). If I were a US Citizen, I'd be in Nepal right now. In fact, I'd probably be way better off returning home for good instead of lingering around, but I just don't wanna gamble. I wish to have a back-up - that of an option of returning back anytime I wanted and I won't get that until I naturalized. 

 
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 Probably, You should not ask this kind of question in forums. I am pretty sure you are aware of good and bad things about staying and going back. In forums you will not get the information, which you don't know. If you think you should go, then you must go. Otherwise you will end up thinking everyday about going back or stay here, which will put you in LIMBO.
 
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Too long article.
I would like to encourage everyone who wants to go back.
I would recommend not giving up gc or citizenship though so at least you have a fall back option to come back if it does not work out.
 
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Blue Devil,
haha then what is the use of such a forum. It helps to hear from people in the same boat. What they might say may be nothing that i do not know but sharing can help.
Riddle Bro,
I do not have any properties in Nepal. I have managed to save 200k but that will not be enough i suppose. So do you plan to naturalize and get the NRN card? I am also planning to do the same.
The reason that i want to return is that i feel somewhat i can retire and indulge in my hobbies rather than keep on working here. Perhaps i need to save more for that!. i do not really seek a hifi lifestyle but rather a simple life. I think i can manage but political turmoil scares me. If it were peaceful like in the past, i would already have gone. The rest of the push factors like pollution, loadshedding, etc does not really bother me.

 
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Here's my story, Freedom2012, said in the spirit of openess and humility:

For me the decision to return to Nepal came down to what kind of life I wanted to live.  I had a well-paying job, decent savings and owned a nice place in the US.  I graduated with a degree in computers and worked in pretty reputable firms in the industry for ten years. But life was dull, boring and lonely.

I got exasperated with the general work culture in the US. I worked mostly with IT and Finance teams but I did not make very many friends at work. My Linked In profile showed a long list of connections but those were shallow work relationships that I did not find very meaningful. I realized I always was a big picture kind of guy whereas many of the people I worked with were very different - far removed from the great questions of life with priorities very different from mine. Many were more concerned about the next football game than the role of democracy or the balance of power in the world. Maybe Finance and Accounting don't attract the best and  brightest of Americans - most of my colleagues  knew little about the rest of the world, were very focussed on trivial things like drinking and partying and sports and I could not connect to their cultural references and frame of mind. I guess I was no American and realized I did not want to be one. I found the general work culture too incriminating and society's general values too individualistic and shallow.

That's not too say everyone in Nepal is high-minded. But I don't  have the same pressing need to make friends at work here. I have plenty of my family around and maintain close relationships with many childhood friends here. Here, people have time for me or make time for me. In fact, it has been a lot  easier to get others to make time for me. In the US, I was a nobody, just another techie that people made all kinds of assumptions about based on my resume and probably my looks. To them I was no different from the engineer from a village in Andhra Pradesh who spoke English with a thick South Indian accent. It sometimes felt the US, particularly the power centers of the east coast, had the highest number of stuck-up people per-capita in the world. There I sought kindness from others and sometimes even approval for some of the things I did.  Here I live with a generally supportive family and don't care too much about too many others. There if the person taking the order for my chicken bowl  at Chipotle did not smile at me, I wondered if it was because I looked different. Here if I dont like the way the waiter talks to me, I can tell him on his face and probably get the manager to come and apologize to me. Here I am a first class citizen who can make demands.  In the US it didn't take much to feel like a second class citizen. This Tihar I decorated my house with pretty lights. If I did that in the US, I would have half the neighborhood wondering what I was doing or some  wisecrack asking if it was early Christmas. This Dasain I walked around with tika on my forehead and jamara on my ears. I know many Nepalese in the US who want to do that but can't or don't do it  because they are either too embarassed about their culture or because they dont want to explain themselbes to others.

Simply put, I feel a sense of belonging here. Frankly, I felt no sense of belonging to the US. The rules were too rigid and society was too regimental. That's not to say Nepal doesn't have it's problems. Sure, people drive badly here but in all this chaos there is a strange sense of order. You just need to learn how to drive here and how things work here. That's easier to do in a place where you have roots. People here can sometimes be a bit disordely by Western standards when standing in line but unless you are at the airport in the midst of migrant workers, people elsewhere in the country are plenty polite and respectful of personal space here too. And many of those  poor migrant workers in airport lines are usually panic stricken and nervous anyway - that is not their normal behaviour when they are calmer. The dust and the dirt don't bother me as much any more. Except for when grabage pickup is delayed because of a holiday, strike or dumping site dispute, things in that realm are not that bad. The Kathmandu road expansion project has caused some short-term pain but most people put up with it because of the long term gain of wider roads and increased property prices. I love the food, the people and the culture here - they more than makeup for Nepal's other short-comings.

Yes, there is plenty wrong with Nepal, as some have allued to - I dont deny that-  but there are enough things that are right about this place that life here can be quite good in its own way. I returned to Nepal last year and life has had it's ups and downs but I have liked it  for the most part. I do business with Americans, Europeans and Indians as the Nepali owner of a Nepali company. Being a foreign business partner to an American company has been a lot more fulfilling than being a minority immigrant worker in America. It's a much more equal relationship.

Good luck to you Freedom2012 in making your decision. I wish you the very best.

Regards.


 
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Vivant,
it is nice to read your success story. You have been lucky as you had a business opportunity. I will eventually return, just a matter of when. Now or in a few years. Anyways it helps to read such stories like yours.


 
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 Most folks who return from US to Nepal are losers ! Let's get this straight i said most, not all !!

If you get married and have a good job in US, you won't regret it !

I think you just need to get laid...IMHO

 
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while you all are 99% in america, you are 10% in Nepal. Those who say you cannot do anything in Nepal with foreign degree is a big time loser. totally wasted your time and valuable dollar in education.

 
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Hey Vivant,

 " I do business with Americans, Europeans and Indians as the Nepali owner of a Nepali company. Being a foreign business partner to an American company has been a lot more fulfilling than being a minority immigrant worker in America. It's a much more equal relationship. "

 Everything else you mentioned on your story are felt by all of us living abroad, it won't literate a person who wants to be home.  But if you are willing to share parallel ideas on how we equalize ourselves with foreginers in business from home or provide a gist of what you do might make a difference. If you do, please put your strength financially when you operated that business or you had a support.

Thanks 4 Sharing buddy!

 
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What a remarkable post, Vivant. Thanks for sharing your story. Loved the part about us being treated like second/third/inferior class citizens on here. Not that it's really that big of a deal but who wouldn't enjoy living back home as a boss? 

Freedom, 200k is big dough! That is a lot of money. You can totally diversify your investments and make a ton of money. When you're out to make money, the more you invest, the bigger your return. You just need to be a bit careful. Even if you don't have properties in Nepal, you can easily buy a 2-3 bedroom apartment or a duplex in a housing complex for 30-40 grand. 

Yes, I do plan to naturalize, too and I'm still undecided on whether I'll live here or return back permanently. Been trying to come up with a way that'd help me spend few months in both countries (w/ vacations in other countries/continents a few weeks/months every other year or so). 

 
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I love adventure and challenges, pride and prestige, and to the most my family, and I can find all those in Nepal. So, if I had earned the money that you mentioned and had completed my degree I wouldn't stay here for a moment. I am waiting for those two things to come together and I know it won't be that long. Good luck freedom bro.
 
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बत्ती नबले नबलोस .....धारामा पानी नआए नआओस ..... बाटोमा धुलो उडे उडोस ....... मलाई मेरै देश मन पर्छ ....म मेरै देशमा मर्न चाहन्छु .....

 
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I feel more determined to return after going through some of the posts. Does anyone know of a good real estate website for Nepal? And also what about keeping money in fixed deposit?. Is it worth it?. Then i could just live on the interest :) It is also good to know crore is still a lot of money coz some Nepalis make you believe it is peanuts. I heard that nobody talks in lakhs these days in Nepal, everyone speak in crores. For a country where 80% are poor, that is good news i guess!
Thank You all for the replies.  


 
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"There if the person taking the order for my chicken bowl at Chipotle did not smile at me, I wondered if it was because I looked different."
so true..thats is how must of the foreigners feel no matter how diverse and open they claim. a lady at wal-mart customer service laughed and asked if it was my real name when she looked at my drivers licence. it was very condescending.but what would i do? call her manager who could be even more ignorant? and they would together make fun of me after i turn my back. you're lucky in a sense that you have skills that you can use in Nepal. most of us realize foreign can never provide what Nepal can after living for more than a decade and it's too late to return because so many of us have children who can't adjust back or skills which can't be sold in Nepal.
lucky are those too who have rich parents and networking.
for unlucky ,scared ones like me, we will keep biting the bullet while ordering chipotle or returning stuff at wal-mart.

 



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