There were few intellectuals who were very vocal that maoist had contributed so much for Nepalese .They were stressing that Maoist created awareness and all.But what was ultimate contribution of Maoist to welfare of Nepal? They hadn't imagined this :more than dozen seperate armed outfit following the successful path led by maoist.
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I always said may be the objective was good but the path adopted was bad.In one of the thread "Terrorism" . One year ago , this debate was going on Whether to call these people terrorist or liberation army.Now , questions to these individual who supported Maoist cause like looote kukur and others .Don't you think JTTM sss ,Cobras and tigers a are freedom fighters?Do you equally have respect for these people newly mushroomed freedom fighters and why shouldn't we fulfill their demands and not divide your Nepal (which you love so much) cause you will still be reiterating that they are freedom fighters. Now , Nepal is in the verge of disintegration due to racial propaganda by maoist backfired . Do you still believe it was great contribution??
If you haven't had enough of Nepal and consequences of maoist freedom fight, There are more to come as i had predicted .wait and see.
Moustacheo, was told time and again this proverb when I was lil: "Bad laborers blame their tools." Why don't you take up some elementary computer classes, maybe that'll help you end up posting like other NORMAL folks do. hahahaha BTW, I'm outta this thread as you Triple Threat posts are beginning to suffocate me.
basicaly learned donkey = PRACHANDA (GRADUATE DONKEY) YCL AND PLA = (SENT UP FAILED DONKEY) FOLLOWERS = (UNDERGRADUATE BHEDA) -------- cause they follow other they dont work.
Communism system itself is wrong. Communist system's concept is wrong. Communist system's garne tarika is wrong. Communist leaders are wrong. Communist followers are skin heads, so they are never right. Communist journalist don't know what is journalism. So, they are wrong.
In Nepal civic leaders like Krishna Pahari, are all mukundo dhari communist. Did they every speak against YCL's jyadati? Never ever.
Nepali Post: Nepali Journalists in America: Most of them seemed to get Green Card as if victim of Maoists: when they applied political asylum they claimed that they will be killed by Maoists if returned to Nepal, but within Nepali community they praise YCL and Maoists. NepaliPost.com is now mouth piece of Maoists. Oops, NAJAN is coming soon. Nepali journalists coming one over another name and same set of people, different faces. Did you read recent article on Nepal, one visitor explains about one Najan Member who came here because he got DV, enjoys American life, but frequently he writes in favor of Maoists. Wow, afu chai lottery green card parera america ma Japanese car chadne, jo hijo sathi sanga motocycle ma lift mathyo, tara aja u america ma ayera Nepal Maoism establish garne haru ko defend garchha. Five years later, when the same person applies for US Citizenship, he will answer the question: Were/Are you ever been communist? and his answer will big No in the exam, but he will be still writing article in support of Maoism.
Prachanda will continue to blame 15,000 death on Nepal Army and Police Side. He scares to mention that his party killed 38 innocent people in Madi Chitwan. Does he remember his party burnt down Kajal, a five year old girl, who was in a bus burnt by his cadres? Babu Ram wrote in one article that these were minor mistakes. Mistakes? Redefined a mistake, hm.
Yesterday, Mandale was a nickname for Nepali version of Gabbar Singh, who used to punch or use knife if you go against him or them, but today you will be shot dead if you speak against them: the YCL. Who is more dangerous? Read Nepal patrika about Dadas in KTM, and try to understand the fear that Nepal patrika's write had because he even does not mention YCL and its connection anywhere as Dadagiri in KTM. What is the difference between Milan Chakre, and YCL's working style? Why did not Nepal Patrika dare to compare? Because YCL is much more inhumanly organiZed crime syndicate than these Dadas, at least these dadas have left the country because of fear of Mandule plus police, but YCL does not allow government to take any action against their cadres: next day dozens of bus, trucks are burnt.
Now, Maoist Ministers in Nepal Government organize strike. Wow, do they know what is government? Is this a new culture that you imported from China or it is one of the 10 commandments of Prachanda Path?
What happened to the looted money? Where is hisab kitab? Where did the money the government gave them as allowance go?
These are a very few examples of culture that YCL and Maoists brought to Nepal. I still don't know what positive impact Maoists have made in last 10 years? I see None, other than CHAOS.
Prachanda won't be President of Nepal, not in any case, as long as there is US Embassy in Nepal. Prachanda is paid back for the murder of Mr. Pokharel, a security guard at US Embassy while he was sleeping. Prachanda will / should be killed one day in the same fashion, if not will die like Polpot: a human version of rabies infected dog's death. Polpot's dead body was on bed for several days.
Hisila Yami's claim of connecting Karnali anchal 's remote district headquarters in one year ? Day dream. She will blame it on Ram Saran Mahat for not allocating budget for her projects. Excuse fabricators. Prachanda claimed that Paras made a CD (I am not fan of Paras), Prachanda claimed that Arms were washed away rivers, Prachanda claimed that Royals were planning to attack US Emabssy ...... Where are those proofs, Chaitman?
I recently heard that they want to change Nepali National Flag, and incroporate Hasiya, Bancharo and mudho.
What else will they bring to Nepal? Nepal will be turned to Switzerland of Asia? Wow! Looking forward to hearing excuses.
Thanks god, Girija is still alive. There are only two real people in Nepal who can stand tall, and firm, right now: US Ambassador Morarity, and PM Girija Prasad Koirala.
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WITHOUT THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTIONARY WAR LED BY MAOIST, NEPAL TODAY WOULD STILL BE NEPAL.
THEREFORE THIS WAR WAS DEFINITELY NEEDED TO BRING OUR NATION FORWARD. AS I TOLD YOU EARLIER BLOODS HAS TO FLOW AND SACRIFICE BE MADE IN ORDER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW NEPAL. MOST OF THE PEOPLE CANNOT SEE THAT. THEY WANT TO STICK TO THE OLD SYSTEM. NOW MAOIST HAS DONE WHAT COMMON PEOPLE COULDN'T DO, IT'E TIME TO FORGET MAOIST WRONG DOINGS AND START REBUILDING NEPAL INSTEAD.
GP U R Abosolutely right!! My judgement of maoists is that they have bred the culture of violence throughout the country. 1990 democracy can not be blamed for encouraging corruption,rather it gave people power to raise their voice against corruption. Democracy is a self-healing method of ruling where in the parties and leaders with black record are thrown by people. Maoist along with some royalists, took advantage of the weaknesses of the newly sprouted democracy, blamed politicians and the political system for not meeting peoples's aspirations. Had the maoist taken a constructive role during that period, the country wouldnot have tattered to the dirty shape we are witnessing today.
Sajhakohero and Ramlakhan what is Nepal now Nepal is still Nepal.Answer me what i am asking.Don't give me wishy washy answers.Stick to the topic and point me where and how and in what price,and what has been and will be the consequences?
The question was very simple, do you still consider that Maoist have contributed in the welfare of people, now that the armed struggle by Maoist has ended (at least for now)? How happy are the people? Are they now satisfied with Maoist or the Nepal Govt.? Do you consider JTTM and Tigers and cobras as freedom fighter and support their cause? If you do then are you ready to divide Nepal for the freedom fighters? I didn’t get the answer. As everyone has their cause. Come to think of it, why not give Terai a separate country?
I had written several times a year ago that everyone will start demanding with arms and this is what’s happening .Even if Maoist are in power .The culture of violence will never end .The cycle will go on. One of the after affects of Maoist revolution is giving birth to armed revolution culture in Nepal. How do you think Maoist will suppress this culture by using force again!! Killing Nepalese. So, why you consider RNA or previous Govt. was wrong?
Isn’t it the Violence culture the biggest contribution? New Nepal and New Nepal, sounds really nice .First of all there should be a Nepal existing to create a new one .In vain Maoist have severely damaged the nationality and unity of Nepalese. It isn’t over yet.
Here people gave examples of revolution of Countries like China and similar ones, how much of Human rights is there? How much of freedom do they enjoy? If you are comparing the revolution of China in this context. Do you think there are no more poor and peasants in China? If Maoism was so successful, why is there millions of poor in China? Are they equal now? What kind of policy is there to eradicated poverty? Isn’t rich in China getting richer creating an income gap as in Nepal? What happened even after 30 years in China? How is it any different than Nepal? You see the progress of china right now but what about the poor in China? Weren’t they the ones fighting with Mao against “Tyrant or Bourgeois� Who became the Tyrants in China?
It is time for evaluation. I will write later what we gained and what we lost and what we are going to lose .Again remember this after a year or two. The basic thing is Politicians know what they want but do not understand what Nepalese people want. They always take name of people and do in the name of Nepalese people. Are they really doing everything for people? They do not understand what has been a binding force and the psychology of Nepalese.
Mr. Ramlakhan, You should learn to use computer, that submit button is only supposed to be clicked once. Answer, the simple question. Why shouldn’t we divide Nepal, into Terai and Nepal?
RahulVai, Thanks for reply. Exactly as what you said , How can Maoist advocate for freedom and basic rights when they do not believe in one ?I am not so against Maoist outer appearance what they say outside to the innocent people but their actual intentions are bad and was always bad. When the method to achieve the greater good is bad then it is worthless.
Others, Again question was very simple to the Maoist supporters, No twisted answer was expected. Why shouldn’t we respect the Terai Freedom fighters and honor them? Why do we call them terrorist? Just because Maoist grew big and is now in power, doesn’t make them a terrorist?
SAJHAkhoHERO, you say "WITHOUT THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTIONARY WAR LED BY MAOIST, NEPAL TODAY WOULD STILL BE NEPAL" wtf??? you friggin crazy BS minded freak. Listen, Nepal in its old state was much better than it currently was or if it ever will be for the next 100 years (if led by Maoist ideologies). Like I said earlier, Maoism or any forms of government promoting communism is a doomed to a path of economic downfall and a state of regression. You're nuts, damn commie. Your ideaologies were flawed right from the start...Humans are innately selfish and any form of government giving equal status to all (no merit,same pay even if more effort is put in, etc.) is living in a fool's paradise. We're not friggin domestic animals, we can comprehend whats best for us and our progeny and for that we have to think for our own benefit first. Once again, WE'RE HUMANS AND COMMUNISM IS NEVER GONNA WORK FOR US!!...How long do you think these commie master can forcefully bind us in shackles making us believe what they want us to believe?? These chains will break in no time ala Fidel's Cuba (Who's gonna continue his legacy?? They's back to the '60s again as soon he's history, which, given the state he's in, is probably this or next year). Get a life, propoganda promoting fool!! Your thoughts are warped as you are.
Those who support maoism and communism are FOOLS. Maoists are those ruthless, inhuman,sick people who have killed thousands of innocents, and displaced hundreds and thousands of Nepalese. I cannot believe someone is saying "THANKS TO MAOIST THAT ALL NEPALESE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES.............." What bulshit...
SAJHAkhoHERO, Dude you need to get a life! You seem to be significantly lacking in good education and knowledge. You cannot articulate any facts you just seem to rant your maoist slogans. Go back to school and get a good education. Just spitting here your idiotic thoughts is not helping you prove how great freaking maoist have been to Nepal.
Samsara, ImI and GP have already vindicated how wrong maoism is; so before posting anything further read them and comment on any flaws!
MAOISTs have brought the revolution without which we could never imagine the downfall of the old same old ruling elites of the country.Now finally we get to see the new faces. .. new ideas and 'NEW NEPAL'
Maoists have finally given the voices to those who finally felt and realised the BLACK spot in the nepalese society.
Only now can we dream of Real 'Inclusive Democracy'- that include not only men but women, that include not only' bahun' politicians(that means end of anti-bahunism) but people from all the community,in the admin not only those who are close to Darbar not all who deserve(that means end of 'chakarism') .This in large will automatically broaden Nepalese Mind...nepalese communities will eventually learn to live in harmony...equally share the responsilbilites as well as blames. As long as we work for good system....things like 'racism, chakarii, bribary, inequal representation, dominance of a particular grp(be it royalists, koiralists, or maoists) will automatically get washed out.
For that to happen Nepal needed a complete 'REVOLUTION'. And everyone knows without 'People's WAR' which happened to be started by Maoists -and not Congress , the contribution goes to Maoists the most. The downfall of the old system was impossible to imagine if the people war had not weaken the OLD Elites.
The people war did cause bit of a blod shed...but which revolution has been so successful without lil bit of Blood shed???
If we can accept Prithvi Narayan Shah who did more killings to expand the Nepal territories why not People War - which started with ALL THE VALID CAUSES.
Sajakohero, thank you very much for the links to the You Tube clips.
It gave me a chance to see the fight between Nepal Army vs Maoists. It used to be an imagination, but I got the first hand access to this raw unedited clip. The conclusion is certainly different on which side you stand, but a couple of clips are worth watching in order to feel how these people died in this "war". A picture speaks 1000 words.
They have absolutely no vision. They are even bigger tyrant than the king. These so called namarda YCL guys even entered padma kanya campus and beat the girls. The YCL gunda are threatning and beating people without any fear because they know they have blessing of maoist leaders in govenment. Thats why they are still defending the act of YCL.
PRANCHADE is now openly claiming he wants to be president of Nepal in 2 years. so the ulterior motives of these maoist leaders are very clear. All the killings and war for last 11 years for him was just to become president. They are the one who have recurited the minors in their army. And minors have not gone to maoist army by choice. Most of them were forced to join the maoist army.
They have Beheaded and killed the teacher right in front of student, they have burnt 4 year old girl, they have burnt the public bus and killed around 40 innocent life at chitwan, they have amputated numerous people just for thinking they are a spy. Nothing can justify their act.
Behold the time will come when pranchada and co. will be swept away by all the tears.
Sajahozero Also used to be Known as diliprai :P hahaha
Good Ramlakhan,
You are talking in right sense .Go On.I encourage you to keep writing. Ok now ,as you said: Maoists have finally given the voices to those who finally felt and realised the BLACK spot in the nepalese society.
So, now did that did gave birth to couple of new armed revolution?So, The maoist demand is justfied and others demands are not justified???????So We are maoist not a terrorist and they are terrorist??????????
Terai extremists are terrorists:
A senior leader of Maoists has said that the state needs to treat Terai extremists as terrorists. "The government should not hold dialogue with parties that want to split the country. They should be termed terrorists and strong action taken against them," said Chandra Prakash Gajurel aka Gaurav.
The strong remark by Maoist politburo member and chief of its international relations cell has come in the wake of appeal for dialogue with Terai groups made by Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitaula.
"We are doubtful how the dialogue will be helpful in resolving the problem when many of Terai groups are openly claiming that they will now hold talks only to divide the country," Gajurel said.
Home Minister Sitaula had appealed to 'Madhesi Janadhikar Forum, factions of JTMM and other groups' to come for dialogue within two weeks following which, he warned, the government would be compelled to take strong actions in order to create proper environment for Constituent Assembly elections.
Around a dozen armed groups have sprung in Terai region in last couple of months. Some of them have also demanded a separate Terai state. nepalnews.com sd Jul 15 07
Home Minister Sitaula had appealed to 'Madhesi Janadhikar Forum, factions of JTMM and other groups' to come for dialogue within two weeks following which, he warned, the government would be compelled to take strong actions in order to create proper environment for Constituent Assembly elections.
Every body including Sitaula knows it is a bluff. The old saying: "Pani Tatai de natrabhane .....", the husband threatens his wife all the time, and the annoyed wife one day asked: " Natrabhane k garchou", and the lachar husband says: "Natrabhane Chisai pani le nuhaune chhu, aru ke garne".
Yesterday, Maoists were declared terrorists, and today they are in govt, tomorrow, what will this govt will do? It can not even put Prasai in Jail, and it can not put CDO office vandalizers in Jail, ..... what will this govt do? Strong action? Oops, Chiso Panile nuhaune ho tyo strong action bhaneko: hereko herai garchou .... timi j man lagchha tehi gara. Sitaula ji Maoist ko bui chadhe dherai din chaldaina. They will thrash you one day, not very far.
माओवादी निमुखाहरुको हितको लागी भन्दै चिच्याउदै हिडीरहन्छ तर साथीहरु हो वास्तवीकता त्यो भन्दा फरक छ भयावह कहालीलाग्दो छ । एकातिर राज्य माओवादी सेना पाल्नको लागी राज्य बजेट निकासा गर्छ अर्कोतिर माओवादी चन्दा असुली गरीरहन्छ । राजा ज्ञानेन्द्रेलाइ तानाशाही भन्छ तर आफै तानाशाही बनीरहन्छ । उसलाइ समर्थन नगर्ने जति सबै प्रतिगामी यो कस्तो राज्य हो । कानुन बनाउने ठाउमा आफै छ, तर वाइसियलनामी झुण्डको निर्माण गरेर आफै कानुनको रखवाला झै भौतिक र नैतिक कार्वाही गर्दै हिड्छ । स्थानीय निकायमा वितण्डा मच्चाएको छ । राज्यको ढुकुटी खुलेयाम हसुरेको हसुरै छ के यो राज्य र राज्यको ढुकुटी माओवादीको पुर्ख्यौली सम्पत्ति हो अरु पार्टीहरुको पेवा हो । राजनैतिक दलको सिफारीस विना दैवी प्रकोपमा परेकालाइ समेत उद्धार नहुने देशमा साथीहरु हो के कल्पना गर्ने अनि कुनै पार्टीको समर्थन विना पनि बाच्नै नपाउने हो त । हिजो सम्म को हिन्दु को मुस्लीम को तराइवासी को पहाडीया हामी सबै नेपाली थियौ तर आज हाम्रो आमाको शरीर भागलागेको छ । भाइचारा सकिएको छ । प्रश्न यो पनि छ हो राजा ज्ञानेन्द्रे तानशाही हो र उसको विरोध गरीनुपर्छ, यसो गर्दा हामी बाँच्न पाएका छो के माओवादीका प्रचण्ड र बाबुराम जीहरुको विरोध गरेर चाही यो देशमा बाँच्नै नपाउने उनीहरुको अमानवीय र घृणीत कामहरुको विरोध गर्नै नपाउने त त्यसैले लुट्न कुट्न, मार्न र शत्रु साधन गर्ने भाडो भएको छ यो, माओवादीले वाटो विराएको छ । जुन मोडमा उ आफु पुगेका छ र देशलाइ धकेलेको छ उ कहिल्यै फर्कन सक्ने छैन
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