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 DO THE NEPALESE IN THE USA HAVE SOME OBLIGATION TOWARDS OUR COUNTRY ?????????

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Posted on 12-09-04 8:14 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hellooooooooooooooooooooooo,
Ladies and Gentleman and all the students,
I have a question for u all ? Nepal prati hamro kehi kartavya cha ki chaina ? Yedi cha bhane hami le k gareka chau ? If now, wat do u guys think should we be doing ? Yesh ma hamro sajha ko sathi haru ko k bichar cha ?
 
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Posted on 12-10-04 11:38 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Let me be practical here, [for once throwing all high-sounding pholosophies out of the window] :) :-

1. Sarbapratham, aafno bikash
2.Tyaspacchi family members ko bikash ra sathibhai ko bikash
3. Tyaspach samaj ra rastra (Nepal) bikash ra tyati matra kaha ho ra, sara sansar kai bikash garna tira lagnu parcha, Nepal ko matra kina? Aankhir hami Sansar kai basinda hau ni, haina ra?

yeti bhandai mera aajaka dui sabda yehi tungyauchu , dhanyabaad (saw this statement somehwere in sajha hai, and reminded me of how all debates were required to end with this statement when i was in class 5)
 
Posted on 12-10-04 11:59 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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harkedai, no offense but you pose a obsolete and redundant question... people often raise these questions in conventions, gathering and parties... and usually they only succeed in raising more questions and prolonged discussions on - who should be doing what, who is not doing it, and who is responsible for everything...

in my opinion, no one is obligated to do anything... we cannot oblige people to sacrifice their personal gain to serve nepal; there are a few who are willing to do so, that is why such people are held with great regard-- because of their willingness to sacrifice... if you have it in your hearts, you will do it without anyone's recommendation... patriotism isn't something that can be forced on people...
 
Posted on 12-10-04 1:03 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepalese that are outside the country are ALREADY contributing to the country. However there seems to be this divide between people residing in Nepal and between the so called NRNs. People residing in Nepal needs to understand fully that the only economic engine that the country has right now is fueled by the NRNs. Its up to the folks in Nepal to do somethign about it rather than blaming for NRNs for abandoning the country. So the next issue is how can the locals in Nepal utilize the potential l of fancially sound diaspora population that are spread all over the world.

If you do some explorations in some of the world-bank reports you will truly see globalization at its new height. They are finding out that the Per Capita income in Remittance-based countries are increasing largely due to the influx of $$ coming from the migrant workers. Even in Nepal our PCI went from $225/yr to $240. Now in the NGO community, the big buzz is DIASPORA FOR DEVELOPMENT

If you are interested to look at the larger issue at hand. If Nepal can improve its political environment and create security, Nepalese economy will turn around in 5-10 yrs. The investment $$ will come from the NRNs.

When I attended the NRN conference, the objective was how to bring NRNs dollars? I gave a long lecture to one of the officials that.. They were on the wrong boat.. The issue at hand and correct me if I am wrong is NOT lack of $$ for investment but the problem at hand with most of the banks in Nepal is lack of projects for investment. Banks are sitting on hoard of remitted funds that are not invested.

From my point, the NRNs are already doing their part. Think about an illegal NRN in NY working for min. wage for some Indian, Korean or Chinese and sending everyy $$ to Nepal. If you track the $$ that sent, you will see chains of mirco economic events creating economie opportunities for PEOPLE IN NEPAL.

So to end my argument, NRNs are sacrificing their dignity, heritage in a totally new land and contributing to the F@#Ked up nation at present. Its time that every citizen in Nepal respece the NRNs be it a Madhise working as a barber in Iraq or a Baje working at a software company in silicon valley.

Peace!

PS for reference if you are in thamel area go talk to local vendors and do a research in who is actually buying in the streets of thamel ..which once catered exclusively to the so called Amrikans!
 
Posted on 12-10-04 5:12 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Sad to hear some of our Nepalese brother's comments on how they want nothing from Nepal or to Nepal. I am amazed by how fast glitters and glamour have dictated these people's mind. As a Nepali myself, I truly believe we must do something. I know that no one will listen to us in Nepal, where corruption "in your face". I have experienced this every time I travel Nepal. Last time when I went Nepal to pick up my wife, I was tormented by government officers in every single offices, and all these just to get a marriage certificate (because of my dual citizenship Nepali/US). Anyways, I went through their procedure, which was probably more complicated than rocket science. I was asked for bribe everywhere, but I refused to do so. Yes, it took me 2 months to get the certificate, but it was well worthy. I didn't let them exploit one more person. Long story short, I understand the situation in Nepal and how difficult to survive with government wage. So corruption is everywhere. If nothing more, we can at least sponsor some children to get some good education, which is what I do.
No matter how dirty, poor, or corrupt it is, it is still the most beautiful countries in the world to me, and I love it to death. Jai Nepal.
 
Posted on 12-10-04 7:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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To Six Strings....when did Nepal start a Duel Citizenship? As far as I know, it was only a talk and it still hasn't been approved.. can you clarify please..
 
Posted on 12-10-04 8:47 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Looks like six is the little knowledge guy.
Be practical bro. Dual citizenship does not exist in Nepal.
Ke ho, budheskaal ma DV lottery parera US of Amrika ayeko jasto cha ni?

Peace.
 
Posted on 12-10-04 9:17 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Harkedai:

I think its for one to see what they want to do their country. Either they can go ahead and contribute or come up with excuses that they are the lone rangers. As far I as know, last time I checked everyone was talking about corruption and lack of discipline in Nepal--Everyone wanted a nice living environment with equal opps and all but I am not sure if all of us were speaking from bottom of our heart.

We blame our Netas and system but I think the real culprits are us who give opp for those kind of criminals and systems to grow. As long as our mentality doesnt change nothing is going to happen in Nepal.

LovaBoy:

NRNs definitely provide financial assistance to weakening Nepali economy.Morally, I dont know if everything can be put into money. Just imagine a teacher who is capable of educating so many kids in Nepal comes to US and works a modest job and has a decent living for him and his family. What good does it do to Nepal.. Frankly in the broader prespective, it is essential that Nepalis work in NEpal not somewhere else...Going to a different nation and making money is a short term fix not a long term solution.

Also, my hypothesis about NRNS is that, the NRNs from non-US countries contribute more to Nepal than the ones in US....for eg.Just look at it..a guy comes to US and works here illegally for few years until he gets his greencard..THAT MONEY ISNT GOING ANYWHERE...ITS NOT GOING TO NEPAL..its going to be spent in education OR buying properties in right here in US. whereas in regions like Middleeast/Japan/Korea...all the money made my Nepalis are sent to Nepal...because in their cases the chances of spending their life in that land is below 1%..

I think both NRN?s and local nepalis are equally responsible for countries fate?in few years dual citizenship thing will be finalised. I think dual citizenship is a must ONLY with some clauses..like dual citizenship holders cannot hold any government jobs OR get into politics..cuz you know how easy it is to get into politics in Nepal..esp when you have money
 
Posted on 12-10-04 10:16 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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There is no solution to this problem, nepal ended out like this,"OUR BAD LUCK" and will continue to be like this because, no one cares.. ...

Pahile SWAYAM SEWA ANI NEPAL KO SEWA....each of us think this way, doesnt matter if we are in usa or nepal.., and incase if you are someone that doesnt think this way, THEN U R GREATT!! KEEP IT UP!!

jai nepal
 
Posted on 12-10-04 10:56 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey loveaboy,
Did you do anything to you country before you were so called NRN............ If not why are you boasting that NRNs are doing much more than the local Nepalese. Do you want all the local Nepalese to follow your path........... or should they necessarily be NRN to feed their country??? If you are a loser ......... then why do you expect local Nepalese to do something........... and never ever dare to use those dirty words to my mother Nepal........... got it.............
Cheers
 
Posted on 12-11-04 12:16 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hi Casey,

I am not trying to dollar and cent the migration/NRN issue. I think a contribution a teacher makes is incomparable to any $$ out there.. What good does it to Nepal too if a capable person who can earn a living in SFO is doing chakari for a mere RS 3000/mnth job. I have seen some extremely intelligent people under severe depression in Nepal since they dont' have the a door to exit their intelligence.. Is that good for the economy?

Next is US migration.. yes its different that in the middleeast... the way the US migrant workers or the professional maintain relationships with the local economy in Nepal is much different. However, the contributions can not be ignored.

Now for our kuwa ko bhyaguta friend ooum ...what i do and what i did is turly none of your business. I certainly don't want to boast about my contibutions.. the thing you need to understand is we are in a truly globalized world.. we don't have one address.. but we never move away from our identity...at least the first generations...

you can hug your mothernepal with maobadi's head band, death katro and put her a tika with a blood which is plenty..... it will do you some good...desh futera jatra bhaisakyo my nepal my nepal bhan!

the issue is not about NRN feeding Nepal Economy. NRNs are doing their part. Globalization + Diaspora $$ are creating some incredible opportunities that were never there before.

Invest your time on what that opportunities could be?

Narayana Narayana
 
Posted on 12-11-04 12:54 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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jai gorkha !!
1) frog jati uffreye pani tehi ko tehi
2) nepali le jaba garchu bhancha tyo trip ko taal ma cha bhanera jannu.
3) jas le garu bhancha tesle kehi gareko chaina bhanera jannu, ne ta tes le kahile garcha.
4) tokne kukkur le bhookdaina,bhookne kukkur le tokdaina.
Last auta kura ta saaf ho, sajha ko le nepali samaj ko lagi kehi garla bhanera ta aasha pani na garnuu................
na ta garcha na garne lai jas dencha ...........
* WELCOME TO SAJHA *
 
Posted on 12-11-04 6:38 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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for you john

John gothala le naa ta afno kura bujcha na ta arka ko
john esto bhirbata khasna laako goru ho jaslai ram ram bhanidaina sidai kaatna laagincha
 
Posted on 12-11-04 7:16 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Turbine bro,
I didn't know too that Nepal had dual citizen until my last visit. I went there with my US passport, so I had to go through non-Nepali process. During this time, Griha Mantralaya (Home Minstry) officials told me that I can still renew my all Nepali documents (passport, citizenship, license, and etc) as a Nepali. They said that I have to officially regien my Nepali citizenship. Until then I am equally Nepali as any other Nepalese. They said they haven't constitutionally passed it as dual citizen law. The only thing is that I cannot use my Nepali passport to get in and out of US. I can use my Nepali passport to any other countries.
 
Posted on 12-11-04 8:00 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ladies and Gentleman and all the students,
I have a question for u all ? Nepal prati hamro kehi kartavya cha ki chaina ? Yedi cha bhane hami le k gareka chau ? If now, wat do u guys think should we be doing ?
 
Posted on 12-11-04 11:39 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Answer for John Smith..
U wrote..
...Jai gorkha !!
1) frog jati uffreye pani tehi ko tehi
2) nepali le jaba garchu bhancha tyo trip ko taal ma cha bhanera jannu.
3) jas le garu bhancha tesle kehi gareko chaina bhanera jannu, ne ta tes le kahile garcha.
4) tokne kukkur le bhookdaina,bhookne kukkur le tokdaina.
Last auta kura ta saaf ho, sajha ko le nepali samaj ko lagi kehi garla bhanera ta aasha pani na garnuu................
na ta garcha na garne lai jas dencha ...........
* WELCOME TO SAJHA *
 
Posted on 12-11-04 1:21 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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As I said earlier, something miracle got to happen
damn raja and mantris and maossssss got to realize it all too
 
Posted on 12-12-04 10:07 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dear Loveaboy,
you are very witty in your writing. It means you will keep your identity as a Nepali and make your offsprings Kuhire??
Bravo...
Why should I have any concern about what you did and what the hell are you going to do............ its only because you addressed local Nepalese........ and I would like to be one of them..............
Hats off that you participated in the NRN conference and tried to contribute something to MY country..... and what do you mean by KUWA KO BHYAGUTO.......(Mr. John S too)..... please define......... and if you consider me Kuwa ko Bhyaguto.... then give me the list of countries you have visited and then I will provide mine........ peep out of your window and you can see me there..................

Hari Hari
 
Posted on 12-13-04 3:17 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nope! No obligation at all.

Pahila aafno duno sojjyaaunu paryo. Aaafna ta maadev ka uttana jara, kalle dela barrra.. eh...
arko cha ni ajha classic, "Naam chai Subbini, ke khaayera uvvini !!". Bhanda chai USA ma re, haalat chai ethiopia bhanda ni gaii gaa ko, tyasko baaje haru le bill pathauda pathauda... eh
 
Posted on 12-13-04 6:30 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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kaam garna aayeko haru majjale kaam garne, paiso kamaune budheskal lagechi amrika , Europe ma cha bhane green card line basne...aru thau ma cha bhane tyo kamako paiso kumlo bokne ani laagne kathmandauu tira eeuta jagga kinne panch talla ghar banaune..4 talla bhada ma dine ani budheshkal ma ghar ko chat bata sabai lai bidesh ko kahani sunaune. Amrika ra europe ka haru chai Marne bela ma eekchoti Nepal pugne ..Narayana bhanne ani marne.
Student le chai tyeso nagarne..padhechi alikati buddhi aaucha..ghar ko yaad aaucha..kuhiri keti ta sabaile bihe gardainan..ekchoti bihe garna Nepal pugchan nai ..tyesbelama khali keti ka fota herna matra nabhayera yeso dimag khelayera kaha k garyo bhane bess hola bhannera sochne..sochesi yessoo Amrikane haru lai MT everest herna aaija bhanne tyehi bela ma tanna donation magne ani alli pichadiyeko gau ma gayera eeuta aaya aarjan hune kura..jastai gharelu silai bunai,krishi ko lagi sahi upakaran aadi harek MAHILA lai pradan garne..tyesle income source generate huncha ra continuity pradan garyo bhane gau bikash huncha...khas ma tyeti garo chaina ...alikati dhakelnu matra parcha tyespachi ta Nepali ko jaat na ho laage pachi laagyo laagyo...goru lage jastai. La yeso yeso garne

EEti shrish khande kedar khande mahatmaya kunni k k jati...asthuuuu...bolo Shri swastani mata ki.........JAI
 
Posted on 12-13-04 9:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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i goal is to build my career and settle in nepal with a good job
 



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