Dear I Nepali/Jaymatadi, Please go to Times of India dated Feb 10th, 2007. I am not making this up guys/gals. I am only making everyone of us aware. AWARE: so that we do not go no more to EUROPE, peiriod, HUGE PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! USA no matter what is far superior to EUROPE, in fact euaropeans are like madesihis?!!!

for fact please visit http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4928954.stm

thks khulduli

This news is dated April 2006 in BBC. In case you thought it was a breaking news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4774952.stm

TIMES OF INDIA 10th feb.2007 LONDON: As thousands of Indian doctors make plans to return home or move to other countries for training and employment, Britain's medical community has expressed disappointment over Friday's adverse high court ruling that refused a judicial review of changes to immigration rules. Indian doctors have historically made significant contributions to the National Health Service (NHS). Thousands had moved to Britain in the 1970s and 1980s, following job offers to meet shortage of medical professionals at the time. The competence of that generation of Indian doctors has been widely acknowledged and valued, and many others followed in subsequent years under the category called permit-free training. This facility was abolished under changes announced in March 2006. The changes to rules were since criticised by British doctors at several forums, including in the professional British Medical Journal. Friday's ruling has disappointed not only the Indian community of professionals but also British doctors. Commenting on the ruling, Edwin Borman, chair of the British Medical Association's International Committee, said: "The government's recent treatment of overseas doctors has been very disappointing. "They were given the impression that they'd be able to contribute to the NHS, and spend their whole careers in the UK, then the rules changed overnight and many were forced to leave. The failure of the government to consult with the medical profession meant that they had little opportunity to prepare to leave the country." Andrew Rowland, vice-chairman of the BMA Junior Doctors Committee, added: "We're in the middle of the recruitment process for new junior doctor posts and it is crucial that the Department of Health issues full and transparent guidance immediately. "The deadline for short-listing job applications is two weeks away, so those involved in selection need to be absolutely clear about what this decision means. If they're not, the whole recruitment process will fall apart. "The government must learn lessons from this episode. It needs to undertake rigorous long-term workforce planning so we can be honest with overseas doctors about opportunities in the UK. If that had happened in the past we wouldn't be in this situation now." Borman added: "We are disappointed that the High Court has not ruled in favour of doctors on the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme. It has always been our opinion that they should be treated the same way as their UK counterparts when applying for posts." Meanwhile, the British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO), which went to the court against the changes to immigration rules, is consulting its legal team to consider launching an appeal against the decision. Several doctors had raised funds to fight the legal case, but the BAPIO is faced with launching another fund-raising drive to launch the appeal. The judge has permitted BAPIO to bring an urgent appeal against his ruling before the Court of Appeal because of its widespread impact on foreign doctors. However, Indian doctors currently in training or awaiting employment are not optimistic about a positive outcome of any appeal. It is considered unlikely that British authorities would now relax the immigration rules because of Indian doctors' contribution to the NHS in the past. The logic of the changes put forth by health minister Lord Warner in March 2006 virtually precludes any relaxation. He said: "We now have more than 117,000 doctors working in the NHS, 27,400 more than in 1997, as well as record levels of doctors in training in UK medical schools. "This investment and expansion, coupled with the reform of medical education, is leading to increased competition for medical posts as vacancy rates fall. There is therefore no longer a need for a specific category in the Immigration Rules to enable doctors and dentists to train in the UK for many years. The General Medical Council, which conducts the qualifying PLAB (Professional and Linguistic Assessment Boards) test, has been cautioning doctors from India and other non-European Union countries about the competitive job situation in Britain. It states: "The job market in the UK is very competitive and you should think very carefully about whether you are willing to take the risks involved in competing for posts. "A recent survey of International Medical Graduates (IMGs) who have passed the PLAB Part 2 exam has shown that finding employment is increasingly difficult. We anticipate IMGs employment prospects will significantly worsen following the Department of Health announcement that from 3 April 2006, IMGs who wish to work or train in the NHS will need a work permit.

In fact all immigration of skilled labor to UK should be brought to standstill and made illegal thereafter. Why should UK be flooded with Indian doctors ?

i think india and most of south asia's economy can easily absorb these doctors. the doctors and other professional also need to weigh on the realities on the ground and set their priorities straight. peace.

The country that has massive problem with over-population brings all sorts of problems to every country around the world.

well , don't blame india for that, they have done more good than bad. Indians are respected around the world despite massive poverty !

"Indians are respected around the world despite massive poverty !" Dis-proportinate number in respect to the overall size of their population I'm sure.

i don't know where u at rite now ? but in US, indians are doing great and most nepalese learn the business from them. And they are probably on the top of the list amongst the immigrants.

ONE more thing to add ! if these people were like general workers or in job kind of deal it would be very tough but Doctors are in shortage around the globe. From my family friends in u.k , they say there is still shortage of doctors but its not that bad and they rather prefer Europeans vs indains.

"From my family friends in u.k , they say there is still shortage of doctors but its not that bad and they rather prefer Europeans vs indains." It is very natural ..who would want to trust Indians no matter they have (or not) MD degree or have specialized training and experience within the field of medicine. "Being crooked" is fundamentally programmed in their brains because of being nurtured in Indian culture. It shows up no matter they got education from Cornell or Brown University.

Khao - i think you are confusing the term "Crook" with prudent. Indians are prudent and it comes out of extreme competition for priviledge. Popular profession such as doctors, lawyers and jobs in blue chips are considered priviledge even in Western world. Most nepalese think that being 'Sojho' is good. I hear ..his son is kasto sojho- Srry.. wrong it means 'LATO" and you are one of them. Don't hate indians that will do you no good..that might make you a 'SOJHO' NEPALI and also a 'LATO; in many other eyes.

Being Prudent is very different from being crook and there is nothing to do with the concept of "sojho". Vast majority of the time I dont see the same kind of crook attitude in the very children of these Indian crooks who were born and raised in the west (eg US, Canada etc) yet these kids are equally smart, able and confident as their mainly white counterparts.

Why don't you share an instance an Indian Crook. ?

Examples of Indian crooks....oh there are so many of them...small fishes and big fishes..here is one example http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/01/23/chandra-review.html#skip300x250

15000 Indian Doctors to leave UK: Indian are become doctors more than British White population. So to proctect britain, they have to kick out Indian doctors and maybe all fake students from UK. source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indian_docs_lose_case_against_British_govt/articleshow/1586856.cms

World Problem = Indian + Muslim