As far as Madhesi problem is concerned,we all have to agree even political leaders elected by madhesi community or representing madhesi community ever worked to help the community. They just enjoyed making money using their numbers to make and break coalition government. Badri prasad mandal is an example he was so power hungry that even after being a Deputy PM he went ahead to take more smaller post of a mere minister.

I am sure the guy who started this thread is Bhagat himself. He loves attention which he never gets. I have never known anyone who ever reads his blog (the biggest microphone re) And ashu, thanks for unsolicited reply. You don't have to reply for every post addressed to everybody. I know you love it when someone tries to create some kind of deviation in the present movement.[Now I am sure you will write 1+ page long reply to it saying how you favor freedom of expression, and how I am wrong that I said this and that.]

for the ignorant ones in this thread, the word you wanna use is MADHESI which means people from MADHES which comes from the old sanskrit word Madhya Desh. The word MADHISE, MARSYA etc are incorrect and derogatory versions of the word MADHESI used mostly by Pahadis (with little or no education). So learn and try to use the correct and educated and tolerant word atleast. Or do you prefer that we call all sherpas and sherpa looking people BHOTE (assuming they are from Bhot - Tibet) and all Newars NITROGEN or TIN TIN MATTITEL (making fun of the accent) ???? I didnt think so. So once again lets all Nepalis refer to each other with some god damn respect. As far as Paramendra Bhagat is concerned, he does seem to go overboard at times. But as someone with a brain, I take away what seems right to me and reject what seems like BS. Can't we all do that? Not a single message in this thread saying what they agree with and what they disagree with. I was gonna be the first but the blog site is down :-) Will post again after I read what he has to say this time.

PIRE And ashu, thanks for unsolicited reply. Unsolicited : Not looked for or requested; unsought This is a forum. F_O_R_U_M : a public meeting or assembly for open discussion.

maranchyase, haha saathi saro haso utho tapai ko kura padera .... ma nai bhagat ho bhanne sunda ek chin ta jhatka nai pari ra ... neway i thought this would be a good option to stop bhagat's propaganda machine ... i donot how how good a decision it was but i am sincerely hoping that his hate breeding blog cannot serve such purposes in the future

Maile ta Paras ko boycott hola bhanera thread kholeko Parmendra ko boycott po rahecha. galti le Paras lai parmendra bhaneko ta hoina?

Blog site is back and I just read it. So here goes. The current inequality between pahadis and madhesis in Nepal is an issue. Size of it is a matter of personal perception. Dalits will consider their issues bigger and women will consider womens rights more important. . . u get the idea Bhagat says: There is a need for a revolution within a revolution. Democracy will not be enough. So a movement to establish democracy is not enough. There is need for more. agree - need a movement that insures equality, not just liberty. He is right about the royal army being a pahadi army, maoist army being a pahadi army, though i'd say predominantly pahadi. and not just the police and army, madhesis are under-represented in a lot of other areas. the numbers speak for themselves Lets talk Judiciary Chief Justice & Supreme Court Justices - Pahadi - 18, Madhesi - 2 Chief Justices of Appeal Court - Pahadi - 10, Madhesi - 2 Judges of Appeal Court - Pahadi - 64, Madhesi - 9 Judges of District Court - Pahadi - 123, Madhesi - 8 First Class Officers in juducial services - Pahadi - 18, Madhesi - 0 Source : HMG (2001), Nyay Parishad Bulletin, Nyay Parishad Secretariat How about politics Central Committee members Nepali Congress - Pahadi - 35, Madhesi - 3 CPN UML - Pahadi - 65, Madhesi - 4 NC(D) - Pahadi - 25, Madhesi - 5 Jan Morcha - Pahadi - 43, Madhesi 01 as of Jan. 2006. count them Madhesi members of parliament as of 1999 - 20% how about media? Management committees of press council, radio nepal, gorkhapatra, NTVm RSS -- 6% madhesis dont have the numbers of police, armed police, army and maoist but u get the idea. he is not alone in asking for equality. the person who said the fracture is already there is correct. Sonner we seal this gap, better for Nepal. as for his crying about his beloved sadbhavana leaders: sadbhavana leaders didnt make the news because they r insignificant. they are tainted, fragmented and have crazy agendas. they dont represent the madhesis. as someone said earlier, most madhesi votes go to UML and NC(P,D) Bhagat says: If there are five central figures in this revolution worldwide, I am one of them If there is one idiot in this world, it is also him someone ought to remind him what the old books say about kama, krodha , lobha, moha, mada, matsarya, mamata and abhimaan. Hey Bhagat hope u r reading this.

lazywally, madhesi issue is genuine, but only successful and well respected (by madhesi population itself) madheshi can drive their demand to the height. I don't know what paramendra does for living, but I haven't read anything that makes me think the guy writes from a room that doesn't belong to the asylum for sustamanasthiti guys. He thinks he is ignored by BBC (Heck, I too think I am ignored by CNN and Nobel prize committee everyday despite being world class mathematicians because I am a Nepali) and thinks others are 'nobody'[pahade obviously includes MIT Harvard professors, UN asst secretary generals etc]

Pire, Even if Bhagat is a total failure in life (according to your definition), what's wrong with his using his time, his money and his resources to shout the loudest about causes he holds dear so long as he doesn't harm others? Even those who have "failed in life" have a right to free speech. Success means different things to different people, and people live out their lives diferently according to what's important to them. Not everyone's dream is to win a Fields Medal. By your definition, Prakash Chandra Lohani (educated, PhD) or, for that matter, Jay Raj Acharya (educated, PhD) would have been the most influential social leaders in Nepal. They aren't. Educational achievements have very little, if any positive correlation with social/public leadership. Let's get that clear. And so, let ethnic activists like Bhagat do what he wants to do -- using his own resources for causes that dear to his heart. The rest of us can either engage with what he says or ignore him. The choice is ours to make. There is no point to go around calling for a boycott of him or his blog. He and his blog have a right to exist. And to judge his life as a failure or to deride his "achievements" or to make fun of him because he holds views that most people do not find pleasant is NO reason to boycott him. That, to me, smacks of a certain kind of insecurity on the part of those who deride him. If a democracy cannot take care of its most unpleasant characters (who have done no harm, except harm someone's idea of what's 'propah'), then, such a democracy is no different from what our Maoist comrade have in their midst. All of this is trivial, no? oohi ashu

Dear Friend, Well i dont know much about him, but i feel that the present situation is going to dampen the economy of nepal. So think wta will be the economic status of nepal 10years down the line.

Ashu, I agree with you but we still need someone to laugh at :-) what better person to laugh at than someone who says things like ":I am one of the 5 top revolutionaries in this world. I am the father of . . . god knows what" It would be wrong to boycott him, but laughing at his idiocy, thats another matter.

I agree with you 100% ashu!!!

ashu, the problem is you don't even read my reply. Where did I say he doesn't have right? Am I the one calling for social boycott? Hell, no. I don't read his blog anyway, except this one which who knows may be he himself put. I am also a passionate supporter of the Madhesi cause. (who knows who I am?) But the reason why madhesi movements have suffered is because of leaders like badri mandal and lack of leaders like Mahendra Nidhi. by all means, bhagat can sleep in an apartment in ny and shout as much as he wants. that's not going to make any difference to me, and hardly any madhesi reads his blog in nepal. but when an educated and wellrespected madhesi go to villages, and makes his case to his people, people are bound to listen to him.

now you can add paramendra bhagat's name next to badri mandal and all other so called leaders who have fuked the madhesis over in the name of helping them. bhagat is a rising star of the same category. good thing he showed us his colors.

Comparing Paramendra to Badri Mandal is a bit of a stretch by any measure. Paramendra's self-aggrandizing aside, which I agree is comical at best and sick at worst, I have yet to hear any sound reasoning against what I interpret as the crux of his argument : the Madesi cause is just and should be pretty high on the priority list for a nation that has treated it Madesi citizenry - men, women and children - as second-class citizens. Obviously, Paramendra's style is unlikely to win him converts, least of all on Sajha, but the substance of his argument, in my opinion, is strong and sound. I disagree with how he intends to reach his goals mainly because I think his tactics are impractical and will actually weaken the Madesi community but trying to belittle his argument by attacking him is as silly as Paramendra making himself out to be bigger than he is.

interesting discussion. lazy wally, would you happen to know the breakdown of nepal's poplulation by group? you show there are quite a few (rouhgly 10-20%) madeshis in positions of power. that seems like a lot, compared to other ethnic groups like sherpas, kirats, majhis, etc. so if you could state the overall % of madeshis in nepal, that would help buttress your argument further. there is discrimination no doubt. but is it ethnicity-based, or socio-economic status based? a rich madhesi businessman would command a lot more respect and influence than a poor madhesi villager. now if this discrimination is culturally driven, it's gonna take some time. my personal belief is that such cultural barriers will be less of an obstacle going forward tho. however, if the discrimination is somehow embedded in the machinery of the system, it (the system) needs to be changed, not only for madhesis but for all oppressed groups. would something like affirmative action (e.g. african american, lower caste indian admissions to colleges) be the ansewr? having seen how the rich black kids get into top colleges thanks to affirmative action, i have my reservations. the broader question is: what is the solution? shoudl a quota system for public offices replace the merit based system (e.g. lok sabha exams)? anyway, it does seem like paramendra bro is trying to cash in on the momentum and public sentiment. he realizes that his core constituency will alwasy be the madhesi group (mind you, even within the madhesis, there is a LOT of discrimination amongst the various sub groups, so a bit of hypocracy here). therefore, teh only way he can ever reach a position of power is through their support, and the best way to ensure this is by getting their voices heard.

oh i almost forgot. this is for pilot: dude, i had never visited paramendra bro's blog until i saw this thread. thanks for publicising it and generating so much controversy! sometimes, in marketing any publicity is good publicity!

What's hilarious is that Mr. Bhagat uses a Pahadi to bolster his view that he is one of the "five central figures in the revolution worldwide". The quote is: "If there are five central figures in this revolution worldwide, I am one of them. Madhav Nepal acknowledges that, and he is the person who is going to be the first president of Nepal. He might say I am one, and he is another. But I am being generous, I am saying five." I guess he wants the nobody pahadis in America to acknowledge he's a somebody. I say this guy is a whacko, but it doesn't matter what we think of him. He's appealing to his base/constituents. The guy clearly wants to do something for the Madhesi community. Power to him.

. i agree with ashu completely here. . the rest, well, फुलको आँखामा फुलै संसार...

the guy who started this topic is the biggest idiot. i think this has given paramendra nothing but a well deserved publicity. I think its funny how some follks here are completely missing the point. The messg is not just a Madhesi issue...the issue is about how our society..be it business, personal or political is founded around nepotism and communalism specific to gender or caste... newars wanna do busines only with newars, mares wanna have only mares as biz partners, bahuns wanna have only bahuns as political leaders...so see the equation.. where are the madhesis in the equation is i think the question paramendra is trying to ask.. so the way i see it madhesi =castless society in so called democratic nepal. so give the guy a break.. try to understand his humour than to make a mockery...