Alliance for Democracy and Human Rights in Nepal, USA
?Bichaar Bimarsha?A periodic socio-political discussions on Nepal
Human Rights Working Group, SIPA, Columbia University
South Asian Institute, SIPA, Columbia University
STRUGGLE FOR DEMOCRACY IN NEPAL:
ROLES OF, AND CHALLENGES FOR, YOUTHS
Interaction with Gagan Thapa
Gagan Thapa is a former General Secretary of Nepal Student Union, student wing of Nepali Congress -- the largest political party in Nepal. He is undoubtedly the most prominent student leader who has become one of the leading figures in the current struggle for democracy in Nepal. He was jailed numerous times after the February 1, 2005 royal takeover on charges of ?sedition against the state? for his outspoken stance against King Gyanendra?s regime. Amnesty International had declared him a ?prisoner of conscience,? since he had been detained despite his peaceful and legitimate activities in support of democracy and human rights in Nepal. His release was procured on each occasion only under tremendous pressure from various human rights organizations and international governments.
*Mr. Thapa?s presentation will be in Nepali. Written English transcripts of his major points will be available for non-Nepali audience.
** Q & A session will be held in English, with a translation help from the moderator if needed.
Columbia University, W. 116th Street and Broadway.
(Exact room location will be announced later.)
# 1 or # 9 to 116th Street Station.
Time: 5:00 pm
Date: Saturday, October 22nd, 2005.
Questions? Call Anil: 917-670-1057 or, Sanjaya: 917-902-2667
Nepe, you have raised a good issue here.
I hope Gagan took home some pure message after visiting that statue of Liberty. We can rarely question that Statue... so in similar way the message from it, the liberty that we want to see in Nepal should be free from any compromise.
a. We do not trust Maoists and their blind followers.
b. We do not trust Gyane and his company
c. We still do not trust political parties and their followers. The followers should understand by now that they are on the wrong train.
They all have failed. So how can you expect any good thing from such a failed gangs?
a. We do not trust Maoists and their blind followers.
: We don't live in Nepal and we don't know the real image of western nepal.
b. We do not trust Gyane and his company
: They are useless .We don't trust and they are just wasting our tax.
c. We still do not trust political parties and their followers. The followers should understand by now that they are on the wrong train.
: Poltician were wrong not parties and followers still can change their party image. Our religion Hindu has many problem but it doesn't mean we are on wrong train or our relegion is failed.
sajhabusaima ..cant agree more :oD...
ani prem dai..kati doubts ho?i guess u have suffered more than me cos of the leaders of te past etc...and tho how much i try...i wont be able empathise and understand wat u feel ...
tara...nepal ko aru ke hope cha?raja?well if he has the power..and he is sayn give him some time...can anyone take the power off him?revolution?well ppl are tryn to create that..so good luck to them :oD....but that aint an easy thing to do..so if raja has the power...cant do anything about it..but only hope that he does do good and live up to most of his words...if not...feels shit knowing we are but helpless arent we?and we can only whine about it?hehe
as for the political parties...the old leaders lai chai kick gardey bha huncha..who cares for their old age!!salla gadda haru!!(dyam to think i call me frens this way time to time...i better take oit back!!!well cant take wat i gave hoina?so oh well i learn from me mistake :o(..such gallis next time i save only for me frens re kya ;o)..yap i know with frens like me who need enemies ;oP hehe)....anyways those old leaders they have been given enuf chances...kati chanches chahincha bhaney?dun they know they have a limit!!!old age doesnt mean u can beg!!!sheesh!!!sharram lagna?;oP hehe.....and as they say..u cant teach old dogs new tricks..so takin this sayn...even tho if they wanted to change for the better(btw when im saying change for the better i dun mean im better hai...im not discriminating..most prob im worse..but thats for me to know ;o) hehe..but everyone can get better hoina?we aint perfect :oD)..
...good for them if they wanna change for the better and make nepal better :oD...but yap they got their chances...so bloody hell!!buda haru!!!take a break!!enjoy the fresh air of nepal when we have it!!u have only one life!!!sheesh!!the older u get the more jidde one gets ho!!
and as for the young leaders...like gagan thapa...well yap..we(nepal) been hurt too much...hamro arse banged again and again..until to the point i think subconciously we like(love?) gettn our arse banged :o| (well dumb metaphor..dun mind me hehe)...so yap one trust is broken..ke garney..it hurts :o(...tara wat can we do???alik himmat raknu paryo...and start to learn and trust..and well im not really into politics so dun mind me ramblings which doesnt make sense or got any substance....but he is the only youth leader i have heard so far..so wat he is doing..guess he is doing pretty well...as in he is pretty good in it..that shows that well..duh!!he is a leader!!!.....and well..if a chances arises that he can lead the country..well why not give him the chance?just cos his parties failed?duh!!ppl make parties!!and of cos in some ways..parties make ppl :oS..2 way street aint it?,....but well kati doubts ho!!!..malai ta nepal ko condition dekheyra ke ke bhoisakio..and also knowin im helpless!!!and well duh!!i cant do anything now to help..so dun tell me to go do smthing before i talk!!!sheesh!!;oP hehe...herum la ma chai ke huncha ek din..if i can do me part to help a bit for me beloved country!!mero desh!!i love u!!!how do i know i love u?cos duh!!i know i cant expect anything from u!!..but knowing im a part of u...always will be..i feel so good :oD..i feel belonged :oD....so that is love hoina?hehe
anyways...yo politics chai..of cos its dirty!!politics kaha clean!!!...but yaha ta saab kayho nepal ko care garcha jasto para kura garcha...tara the things they say..only doubts!!!jay mah pani doubts!!!whole desh ta goisakio..alikiti hope bhayeko manchey haru lai ta hope deu ta!!..
kun bro le...I love NY plastic bag bhogda pani unpatriotic re?kati sensitive ho!!!but cheers hai :oD..that shows how much sensitive u are about ur country :oD...hamro nepal :oD...nice ni ;o)..tara duh!!...US ma janda..to try stir some US interests ho ni..so if he is being photographed or seen carryn that I love NY bag..wah!!wat will the americans think?duh!!will help ni ;o)...so yap..pretty smart hoina hamro nepali bro ;o)..Gagan ;o)...ani as tho one goes overseas for business..one wont try to go around the place and get a break too...everyone needs and deserves a break!...plus the ppl near him le au break loga..hami baseko city haera bhannu shakcha..and of cos he has to try please his host hoina?or try to get some stuffs for the ppl back in nepal...maybe for his leaders to make them smile ;oP...or who knows wat?but duh!!wats wrong in that?:oD benefit of the doubt ppl!!just cos someone is smiling ..that someone who wants to save the country of ours which is in shit or worse..wats wrong?smile garda pani harm huncha?chya chya..testo ho bhaney chai..aphi lai haera in the mirror ;oP hehe...
ani prem_dai..u r patriotic def more than me :oD and hurting more :oS...thats wat i can assume from wat ur sayng :oD ...tara ....abo go to the village and get support there re?:o| wake up!!!!!hehe...that is more dreamland ho!!and yes im a dreamer!!i dream of leaders goin to the villages..talkin to them..assuring them.. and uniting everyone to dream the same dream :oD..tara..sheesh...goin to US/UK to get support wats wrong?...
as they say knowledge is power..and of cos i guess nepali ppl living in the west can be considered more 'knowledgable' in worldy stuffs and of cos they do have more $$$!!!hehe...and they know a bit more about democracy..cos they are experiecing it in a democratic country ;o)..tho that country might not be perfect..compared to nepal's politics..do we even need to say anything?and experience teaches hoina?so tryn to get support from ppl who can help and understands a bit more?wats wrong bhaney?unpatriotic?apho desh ko lai ka ka jancha bhaney wats wrong?if he is doing for his country :oD...THE BIG PICTURE!!!and of cos we want to see nepal gettn better asap hoina?village ma ghumda ghumda..teach democracy garda ta..budheskaal pugeyra..next century aucha and maybe armegeddon ;oP hehe...i mean...if nepal in the end experienced a democratic enviroment ..a bit like US(tho im not a US fan hehe)..of cos the ppl from the villages will start to understand democracy etc...and not that im discounting the ppl from villages etc..mero parents from villages..well were..:oD..mero ama ra ma ta katti jhagada..:oD...well u know old ppl..and their thinkin and generation gap?hehe..but one thing i realised..she wont change her mentality..cos she was taught that way :oD...just hopin in some ways she change and improve ..no one is perfect hehe..and of cos in some ways i change and improve too :oD...those jhagadas made me realise and understand a lot :oD....so yap if someone dares says ppl from villages are ke ke...i be the 1st one to get raged :oD...and if jhyaap maybe do more things ;oP..tara i stay in control so :oS..dyam smtmes i wish i was out of control..ke ke garey hola ;oP hehe
anyways...all im sayng is..im in procrastinating mood right now.. so dun mind me ;o).....better of if u dun read..cos yap u will tell me later..which i already know and dun need to be reminded...i dun make sense!!!!!:o| hehe
we are individuals with diff thots and feelns i guess..so to each his own..but one thing that is obvious here is that we all want the best for nepal and for nepal to be better :oD...some of us here likes to show the truth so puts in the doubts..to make us see and come to reality etc...tara..sheesh...wat options does nepal have?
2. maoist rule?
3.political party ko rule?
or 4.?India/China takes over ;oP..well been reading some of the posting about india takin nepals land in the border :oS...
but in ever option well..guess just hope of smthing positvie re kya :oD...
Raja rules and makes nepal a better place?yap too hard to believe it..but if raja is gonna have his way...then will carry on dreaming he will make it better..until revolution comes and kicks him out :oD
if Maoist rules?hope that can make nepal better too :oD..tho can just see more breaching of human rights:oS..but then again ..is it not goin now?who cares for humans!!this is about nepali rights!!
political party ko rule again..hopefully they do make the country better this time :oS...
and if india/china takes over...well hope i can fund the terrorist organisations that wil be figthing for nepal freedom :oD..if got nothing to do..i go join one re kya ;oP ...of cos i dun kill..so hopefully will get killed doing something dumb like peeing on the country's flag..the country that took over us :oD..ke peeing..shitting is better ;oP hehe
so yap have hope :oD..and pls make me believe in the hope i have :oD..seeing too much doubts urghh ...truth does hurt i guess :oS....
anyways nice to see the love of nepal among ppl here :oD...i feel a bit more belonged :oD...if not this world is a lonely place :oS hehe....and well..nothing is perfect...politics esp.....but well hope fellow nepalis like Gagan and others are goin to make nepal better by the things they are doing ..tht they will do later :oD....so yap me off to dream more and do work :o|
so good day and carry on discussions etc ;oP....
Jai nepal :oD...and dun mind me takin up precious web space :oS..space is precious hehe...accept me who i am...even tho im a fellow nepali ;o)..cos u cant change the fact re kya ;oP and that is a fact no conspiracy or rumours...;oP hehe
oh ps..i dun think i would have gone to see any political speech if it took place here...i prefer to see the country gettn better :oD...onot some speeches which i wont understand ;oP..mero nepali bad :oS...and dun say knowing nepali means ur 'more' nepal..pheri i might try to make ur blood boil too hai ;oP...and just sayn all these in case u thot i was siding with our fellow nepali bro Gagan ;oP...or siding with any other fellow nepali..like the raja..or the maoist ;oP....
if we are united ;oD....
we will never be divided :oD...
but will we ever be united?well not totally but to a point we can make a diff?:oD...i think we already am re kya :oD..well im not there yet..hopefully one day i join the nepali gang when im more capable ;o)....i know i know..i can join anytime and i can already help..but sheesh!!let me try be something that i know i can try to be...that i know will be able to help more ..and hopefully i can ..and will help ..if not someone bloody throw that khukuri on me head!!!in case i forget!:@ cos yo world ma easy to get lost :oS...daar lagcha :oS hehe..
good day :oD and cheers to the ones who are really tryn to do smthing for nepal :oD..good luck whoever u all r :oD...
Prem_dai, why dont you join politics and show us what you can do. Since you are so critical, there is no doubt you can make a good one...what you say? hehe
By the way Nepada or anyone who can answer, who is funding GaganThapa, where does all the money come from? Is that his own?
Satying in UK or america and just making comment doesn't mean you support nepal. Can you do same how much Gagan is doing for Nepal my fellow friends.
What is the soluation have you so far in nepal. You don't like
Gane[mid night robbers]
Girija and his hanumans[talk much do nothing],
maosit[ Nepali butcher ]
what is the soluation do you think we have ?
Okies with biasness and non biasness, I want to discuss somethings here on with fellow sajhaites...
During his years as president of FSU in Tri Chandra college, it was heard that he misused the FSU funds for his own campaigns. I have also heard that he was most helpful to students in College, But being helpful doesn't mean that he can use the fund directed for students. and I know noone can guarantee that he will not be corrupt after he gets into power, but creating a threat against anything near corruption may help, doesn't it???...Just add your two cents...I will add more later on
Good lord Anonymous! One long post that is. Your blank verse leaves with one visibly predictable theory:
Anonymous = Dannah with his fits of haranguing spells!! :)
Now tell me if I am wrong!
Hope the sun down under has not dampened your otherwise lively spirit.
Good day maite (see, being Ausie there!)
Look yonder and be awestruck @ This annonymous guy is on par with ye, Sandhurst! For the length anyway. What passion you guys seem to own for your keyborad!:) All in jest ofcourse, i might say i do enjoy both your comments.
Gone with the wind...
sandhurst lahure...ssssssssshhhhh!! speak not when me name speaks wat it wants re kya ;oP...its all in the name!duh!!...
anyways...like me lecturer once pointed out to me..a dog will bark in the end watever name it has :o)...something like that line hehe...(will post the pic of the scanned pic once i see it again for now..just feeln rushed to find it :oS)...
and if i seemed like i was 'ignoring' forgive me ;o) hehe..well basically was about to type..but ended up typing in another discussion board :o| and its about marks...so yap got a bit lost in that discussion board ;oP...and well...wat can i say?when a spirit dampens more...it feels fresher later on ;o)...on needs to feel damp before one can appreciate the warmth hoina?so if the intensity of dampness increases..just might mean so will the intensity of warmthness...well in terms of feelns anyways ;oP...and thats wat i like to think anyways ;oP..i know others dun have the same opinion..and well just their loss re kya ;oP...
and livelier i could not feel :o| dun ask me why :o| basically just got off the fone with one me mate ;o)...frens that have grown with u..talkin with them..does make one feel better i guess ..and guess wat?not one?not 2...but three close frens called today ;o)...and of cos before i got me arse into this chair..met 2 frens in the library and ending up sharing some lame jokes..so good way to start me day(night ;o)..)..if not guess the stress of the same old exams loomin nearer and other datelines to meet..and seeing and feeln negativness which is all around us...well...ok i better shut up ;oP...
and that u call long?well diff ppl diff standard..im pretty known to me frens for being able to blabber of nothing :o| which im doing now ;oP...and well thats just me i guess..but if i irritate dun mind me ;o)...losing a bit of control these days...i think i get better..i have gotten better ;o)...
anyways nice to see u typing as always ..i do read tho i dun comment ;oP hehe...well and ur talkin of coffee..dyam im longin to have some mochas right now..but cos of circumstances wont let me..(dun have coins in me pocket to get some out of the vending machine)nor that i do need caffeine in me system...i think caffiene needs me!!wahahaha..im laughn cos that didnt sound anything funny at all :o| well 'failure' does bring laughter too doesnt it?;oP hehe.....
and yap i better shut up ...(ppl sitting beside me..and i wonder if those ppl who are sitting futher away)are lookn at me time to time :o| cos im pretty typing furiously with that dyam dumd smirk on me face :o|..guess its me luck i cant see that smirk..just feeln it..hehe..scares me ;oP.....got other things to type..and well basically 'dead' stuffs if u ask me..but its smthing that must be done...to get some marks...so off i go...and hope ur day in the office is goin great..:oD...but the thot of seeing the place ur in...and gettn a tour..well more than feels nice ;o)...so well..lets see wat happens..for now...u keep blasting ur keyboard but not if u have other things to do ;oP....control!!!!dun be like me :o| hehe..well in terms of concentration..im pretty bad(thats an understatment :oS ) it seems..but oh well im tryn(but i guess not too hard :oS) and hopefully i get better :oD..
and yap typig does make one feel better...esp me..:oD...so yap who cares wat they say about wat i type ;oP....anyways always a great pleasure to receive ur warm greetings :oD...im not good in greetings..but i know u understand me failings ;o) hehe...
and me aint aussie!!sheesh!!im nepali bhanya!!!!:@:@:@ born nepali..hopefully when one cease to exist...i be still called a nepali re kya ;o)...
so good day....and smtimes we are wrong..smtimes we aint..but does it matter if we are wrong or right?wat matters is hopefully nepal will be a lot better sooner than later ..hoina?:o)....till some other time :oD...
scarlett..who u tryn to kid?sheesh...kaha sandhurst *looks up*..and kaha ma *looks down..and starts squinting and straining his eyes to look as low as possible..until eyes nearly disappears due to the squinting* ;oP...hehe..dhat...length doesnt matter!!!if not dyam me wont be typing here...u have to pay to read me long nonsense hehe...sheesh i can take the truth!!!...but cheeers there for the white lie ;o)...made me smile a bit thinkin for a sec there...im on par with sandhurst...;o)....next time pls give me a birdie re kya ;oP..eagle sounds better...dyam i miss golf :o| ...tho i cant even drive a ball properly :o| ok wat am i sayn?:o| hehe
anyways the exchange of words...between u and sandhurst was pretty entertaining i must say ;o)..u know which ones im talkin about...well since im typing might as well let it out ;oP...so cheers for that...using dictionary feels worth it..when one gets to read such exchanges ;oP hehe..and dyam..there is smthing there u do use in ur 'bye' phrase that is wat i normally use..but i guess thats coincidence so wont sue u ;oP...anyways well...hope to read more :oD..dun stop :oD..and oh yah smtimes pls stop to smell the roses in the breeze..dun u get bored and tired goin with the wind?;oP hehe
la la enuf bhakwash for now..good day all :oD....time to start typing for marks..wish me luck cos when its marks...i cant type of nothings!:@ kasto unfair!:@ oh well thats life ;oP...and dyam i feel like listening to some nepali songs now :o|....la la i think im gonna go homesick :o|...let me stop before i go on and on :o|...
and Jai nepal!!katti bajeyko!!....ironies aint it?smtimes words are the only thing we can give :o)..and everyone wants to give their opinions..but do we wanna read and understand other ppls opinions?wat am i typing bhaney :o| dun mind me :oD.....
good day :oD...
abui :o| sorry guys :o| i was about to go..i just noticed how much webspace i took :o|...dun mind me!!im possessed i tell u!!!u shudnt blame a person who is possessed hoina?;oP...dhami cha yaha!!!treatment chayo :oD...or well anyone willin to give a free lobotomy is welcome too ;oP...
oh yah Sandhurst...u goin for Gagan's speech?its near ;o)...guess it be nice if u go(if time and everything else permits :oD..) and later share ur feelns about the speech and all ;o) hehe..
good day :oD
Why does everyone' s lips seem to be stuck on this dude's ass ? He came here at Us Government's invitation didn't he ? Seems like all here are already counting their chickens before they are hatched. I am looking for a chicken that lays GOLDEN EGGS. has anyone seen one ? he he
bathroom bro...i dun know about the rest..but i think im waiting and hopin the young chicken is allowed to grow..so that it can lay eggs..and not get eaten before that :o| so counting eggs?well wish i could...but..can i dare?:o|
and seriously...if he was invited by the US...well when did US help another nation..or when did another nation helped another if there wasnt even a tiny benefit for them?and speakin for me..only me hai ;o).....i havent even seen his arse to begin with and to put me lips on his arse doesnt sound tempting..if he tried to tempt me thats another thing tho...lets see how good is his powers of tempting ;oP...and well..i only seen one documentary of nepal..and he was in it...seeing nepal in that state was pretty scary :oS..guess one does get more scared when one isnt there..but if one is there..they get used to it :o)....
so yap...lets just hope and see..wat happens...and well hopefully in the end..nepal will be a winner and better out of all this :oD..but can u blame him for goin there to give a talk esp if invited by US?wouldnt u?if u were in politics?gotta grab every chance ;o)...so if he grabs his chance to get a bit more help..more exposure..etc...hmm...guess some of us do hate ppl who are smart enuf to take their chances?wat they have in mind..only they knows...but seriously...i better go ;oP...
good day and dun mind me :oD...im pretty opinionated(esp today :o| hehe) and i seen u r too..its nice to hear and share opinions..cheers :oD and jai nepal :oD...
Why does everyone' s lips seem to be stuck on this dude's ass ? He came here at Us Government's invitation didn't he ?
Khai, would be nice if politicians/wannabe politicians didnt try to be too secretive. But he sure is a mr smoothy...nice...:) Lets hope for the best.
'Nirman wrote...was heard that he misused the FSU funds for his own campaigns'
Hmmm and people wonder why some dont like him. Damn, why cant people be little more honest, i know doing politics with 100%honestly never works but still not in these small things pleaseeeeee.....
Well talking about the FSU thing, I am also curious too...Maybe someone around here will clarify on this matter...But transparancy is vital for any kind of democracy to sustain!!! Isn't it??
Just hoping to get some out bound discussions on this matter...:)
Anyways If Gagan has misused the funds for his own personal campaigns than he has already felt the taste of corruption. Every leader of our system are the same. Now the question how much should we trust this guy!!