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| HahooGuru | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 08:46 AM
Donataka kono koto kitei masu desuyoka? Mosi anataka sitteiru hito dattara MostAccomplished Nepalis in Japan? no naka no hito bito no namae o koko ni kaite onegai simasen ka? Watakushi sitteiru hito wa kaki no yo na gozaimasu ga. 1. Prof. Madan Karkee, Ph. D. 2. Dr. Naresh Sthapit, Ph. D. 3. Dr. Surya Acharya, Ph. D. 4. Dr. N. B. Basnet, MBBS, MD, Ph.D. 5. Dr. S. B. Gurung 6. Dr. T. P. Sapkota, First Nepali Ph. D. in Environmental Law 7. Dr. Birbal Rana, First Nepal to get Ph.D. in Glaciology 8. Late Dr. Tej B. S. Pradhan 9. Dr. Manandhar, A Teacher at Hiroshima University. 10. Dr. Sujan Malla, Ph.D. in Civil Eng., now works in Swiss Firm in Zurich. (Dr. Malla's design work related to one dome was featured in a journal/magazine as one of the best design of the year..... forgot the complete information .... ). Dr. Malla, in my understanding is one of the most accomplished Nepali Engineer in the world. I had listed only the peoples whom I knew and fortunately, all of them, had PH.D. degree in their field. hGxP |
| cyberpal | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 12:46 PM
I would prefer to title this thread as "Neplese who spent a lot of time in school!!!" unless you can give me specific accomplishments. Going to school and getting a degree and a job afterwards is not really an accomplishment |
| doozie | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 12:53 PM
I concur. Academic canon is all well and good but it only confirms the stereotype that Nepalis do well in "Ghokantey" bidhya. What we need are inventors, entrepreneurs, top notch negotiators, and extremely capable diplomats as well. Not to say that there are none, but through what lenses do you measure said achievements? Western standard, Indian standard seems unfair given our historical disadvantage whereas using just Nepali standard makes you a big fish in a tiny pond but still a guppy in the ocean. As long as you are not the employer but always the employed following protocols and regulations by someone higher than you, you are just working for the man. That view may be considered radical and controversial, but I think its a legitimate assessment. |
| diwas k | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 01:30 PM
Pallav, Param and Para of www.spinybabbler.org would be on the top of my list.... _diwas |
| diwas k | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 01:31 PM
oops.. wrong thread... sorry about that Guruji,,, I did not read your "Japan" part _diwas |
| blah | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 03:44 PM
NK Posted on 04-18-02 9:21 AM Reply | Notify Me I have the same question as Vagabound has. It appears you only need to be a doctor (_BP and Hahooguru's list) to be an "accomplished Nepali." What a joke if not pathetic. Aren't we setting the bars too low becuase we are garib khana napaune Nepali so having a Ph.D. and a M.D. is a great event for us? Is it enough to have our name on the "Most Accomplished Nepali" List because we got a degree? What are these people's contibution to society? What have they done so far except going to school and getting a Ph.D. and working in the US, Japan, various parts of Europe? I don't see much difference between these people and a dishwasher who is working in a Punjabi Dhaba in Jackson height. All economic migrants and nothing to be ashamed of at the same time nothing to be proud of. It just is. if that engineer has indeed done something importand in her field then definitely she should be on the list. And yes, I would put Samrat's name on the List. He has given a face, a Nepali face, in the vast sea of innumerable South East Asian writers. Now we are not known only so called Bir Gurkha who used to work for peanuts in the British Army and be grateful, a sherpa porter who is happy to carry our white masters burden, we can write too! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- garib nepali ID: 48513115 Posted on 04-18-02 11:34 AM Reply | Notify Me ow about managers and president of NGO. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cyberpal ID: 16484365 Posted on 04-18-02 12:16 PM Reply | Notify Me men NK I'm with you on this one. Getting a degree from a good school in whatever field does not really tentamount to being an accomplished Nepali. Also we should take into account the "hmm... here's an applicant from Nepal how interesting " factor in getting into a good school in the first place. As a side note, we still seem to harbor medical profession as some sort of devine profession. This is one of my pet peevs so let me rant on it a little more. This is the only profession I know where one peer addresses another with the Dr. title (well maybe also among Ph. D holders too in international organizations). I was chatting with my cousin kid the other day about this summer vacation plans and guess what he is doing -- visiting this Dr. uncle. As that guy in 20/20 would say -- give me a break. Before people slam with banalities let it be known -- i'm not really one of those ER watching doctor wannabes who couldn't be one. All I'm saying is damn it its just another profession. |
| makuro | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 05:10 PM
Accomplishment is relative term. If I were from poor disadvantaged family, just taking SLC exam would be an accomplishment whereas if all my family members hold Ph. d or hold professional degree, then to me having Ph.d is not an accomplishment. Having Ph.d and earning big buck may not be an accomplishment. But until someone comes with something noteworthy as Samrat coming w/ book or Suddha Shah racking up almost million dollar commission , they are the most accomplished! |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 06:16 PM
You all who replied so far are pathetic peoples. You are frustrated and are jealous to others. Before you post your pathetic comments, you could have asked these individuals have done? You have missed that very important question. I did not write their name just because I know them personally, but, they have contributed directly or indirectly in Nepal more than you pathetic people will ever dream in your whole life time. It clearlys shows your living style in the country of your presence. You just go and look back before you put your negative postings, you would gong to ask the positive side of these individuals. But, your life was in miserable condition, so you always had only negative, pessimism, and sarcastic things revolving in your mind. It shows the quality of brain of Nepalis living abroad. Shame on you. Learn to think positively, before you vomit your frustrations in public place. hGxP |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 06:46 PM
Villa ko desh-ma mani. -- Bhanya k ho. - - Dishwasher with 12th Grade education (or above) ko circle bhitra ka haru le ke ko padhe lekheka haru ko barema positively sochna ta sikekai hunna ni lina sakcha ra, sikeko bhe pani sab brain bata drain bhai sakyo --jata sukai bata fail hunda hunda--- They were failed in all corners of life, thats why they are dishwashers (those with 12th grade or Bachelor education), and how can you expect postive attitude from them. They will be rather having fun on others looking themselves on mirror and extrapolating all the peoples in the world are extactly look like themselves. They were over-run by frustrations, and it is natural to find their postings negative, sarcastic, and full of vomit. God Bless them. hGxP |
| doozie | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 07:19 PM
Hahooguru: And I take that you going ballistic over people raising legitimate objections or counter points to what you say, resorting to name calling is a mark of true sophistication, high intellect and "true" Nepali? Oh I get it. Crystal. |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 08:28 PM
Look Doozie, You don't have to start from -ve infinity to call it legitmate objection. I want to ask you why should you Object first? if you don't know the peoples in the list at all. Instead of making a prejudice thinking that "Dr." is the sole criteria to put their name in the list, you have started it from positive side of discussions and then, finally, decided that "Well, they are not acceptable to me to consider them most accomplished Nepalis ... in Japan". Before knowing anything, just looking at the "Dr." title, all these peoples were furious and were vomiting here. It clearlys shows they have something wrong with their stomach and will vomit for anything and for everything. They have learnt nothing to take positive at the start. I want to ask to start from positive thinking at the start, well, let things get clarified and if you do not accept, don't accept at the end. But, here all were jealous to _BP's list because he brought all MD doctors and I brought all Ph.D. doctors. It clearly shows as Nepal-jin wrote, that their parents told them not to believe peoples. Its a national problem of Nepal, and Nepali education needs to reform to ask their students and citizen to think first positively and only after knowing all the things in detail you take it or reject it. But, the life in Nepal is so miserable, that every one tries to pull your leg down, and all jokes are negative, so peoples do not have better life, all those failures made Nepali's brain to think every thing from negative side, sarcastic comments... You can read here comments all most all the time, you can find this clause "Though I don't agree with ... him, but, .....I agree with ... in this issue". This is usual statement among south asian peoples, not only Nepalis, I want to say here that NO ONE here in this world agrees all the time with anyone, everyone has differences, but, these peoples are so scared that by making +ve start like "I agree with ...", they might be called CHAMCHA of the guy s/he is agreeing. So, our culture has taught us to take all things first negatively, even our heart says "kura ta thikai ho, tara ma kina +vely liyera tyasko bhalo garne .... ". This mentality did not cease even after they moved developed countries, because they never tried to change themselves. You need guts to take things positively, to be optimistic, to be feel great out small things .... This is the borderline between developed and underdeveloped mentality of peoples. This makes big difference in nation building issues. Go, rethink and try to take things positively, you will find world colorful, and if you can not take things positively, world is hell for you, you will not trust anyone, you will find yourself lonely, frustrated, and feel like vomiting, and you are among those guys who vomited here in this thread or in other thread. Its all happened because of "NANI DEKHI LAGEKO BANI" and if you can not take things positively, you look at your mirror, try to find where you had wrong, why your mind is "barha barsha kukkur ko puchhur dhungra ma hale pani banga ko bangai" = Barha barasha developed country ma bashera pani positive feeling develop garna nasaknu. If you have guts try to correct yourself, don't try to defend your negative comments, and pessimism. Iti sri. hGxP |
| fan club | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 08:29 PM
Don't say anything against Haho Guru, otherwise he will vanish again and we have to create another fan club to bring him back. Ki kaso? |
| rebelious sevendust | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 08:58 PM
ok halla garne guru Ji why don't you tell us why are those people that you have listed above are in your top ten list. by the way I do respect all those people who got highest degree possible but I do not humiliate those who didn't get any education simply because of the circumsatances. Take all the poor people in remote village of Nepal. Even if they want to they can't go to school. If I look at them from your point of view, they are simply "it". I'm finishing my masters on ASTRO PHYSICS and I will go for Ph. D by the way. |
| doozie | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 09:06 PM
Hahoo: Let me understand what you said. So you are berating me and trying to show how bad of a human being I am and even worse of a Nepali because you are positive and because I am not optimistic? Some people would call that contradiction, but apparently its okay. BTW read my comments right. I was merely suggesting to expand the criteria of greatness. I don't see anything negative in that. Why should trying to include people other than doctors and academics be necessarily negative? And why should that detract anything from any of the people in your list? Let me give you a simple analogy. Dal Bhat is good. But sometimes pasta, sushi, burgers are good as well. No matter how well dal bhat is cooked, its still dal bhat. Hope this helps. |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 09:21 PM
Mr. RS wrote: why don't you tell us why are those people that you have listed above are in your top ten list. --- I expected this question, instead of nasty comments. As I wrote clearly that these were the peoples who are great in Japan and are known to me. There can be many more, and I requested others to add them. But, peoples were so furious to see PH.D. at the end that they just jumped on the list without asking why are they in the list. I will let you know the hints (I am not their biographers to bring details) why are they in the list. Let me see others list too, relevant to Nepalis in Japan. Thanks. hGxP |
| Parakhi | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 09:34 PM
Guru, ===> (..You all who replied so far are pathetic peoples...) Santan thari tharika. Sabai ko sochai ekai hundaina. Sabai ko situation eutai hundaina. Therefore I better dismiss your first line from my POV. Of course, from your POV I am also pathetic... let it be, I accept it in advance. ===>(..Before you post your pathetic comments, you could have asked these individuals have done?..) I agree with you on this point. ===> (..You have missed that very important question. I did not write their name just because I know them personally, but, they have contributed directly or indirectly in Nepal more than you pathetic people will ever dream in your whole life time...) I don't know what they have contributed to Nepal's development. Though I am not going to write anything against them. Again, Santan Thari Tharika. Of course, every person is not going to ask you why you listed them? You better write at least one sentence after each individual's name how and in which area they have contributed. This would also show your honor to those individuals you listed above. When the information is not complete, it is obvious that messae will be distorted leading to confusion and frustration among others. Some people show it quickly and hotly and some people are cool and calm. ==> (... It clearlys shows your living style in the country of your presence. You just go and look back before you put your negative postings, you would gong to ask the positive side of these individuals. But, your life was in miserable condition, so you always had only negative, pessimism, and sarcastic things revolving in your mind. It shows the quality of brain of Nepalis living abroad...) Again, Santan Thari Tharika. Basically the trait is inherited among each Nepali. ===> (...Whole of the second posting from Guruji....) ===> (...Shame on you. Learn to think positively, before you vomit your frustrations in public place...) After reading the first and second posting in this thread, May I advice the same thing to you Guruji? Karma ma Biswas Garne, Oohi Tapainkai subhachintak... Parakhi |
| neparujin | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 10:32 PM
Negative shiko de shika kangaerarenai yoona kankyo de sodatta neparujin wa aru imi dewa brain wash sareta muno na kokumin desu ne. (Sorry, I am comfortable in Japanese than English expressing my thoughts) We Nepalese grown up in an environment which only taught us to think negatively are brain washed product of our education, our social system and our parents. This is my personal view. I agree with Hahooguru (I am not scared of people calling me CHAMCHA of hahooguru cause I think that's why I am) that we need guts to take things positively, to be optimistic, to be feeling great out of small things because I learned same thing here in Japan. I am not generalizing but I think we Nepalese are physically present (I mean our body) in different parts of world but we are still sticking with our old mentality. |
| diwas k | Posted
on 18-Apr-02 10:39 PM
Guru ji kina yasto bitter ho? Kubelai_ma saadhe_saat le chhoyo ki kya ho? Ki tapai le pani Kaalo padartha sewan gareko ho? _diwas >- >Dishwasher with 12th Grade education (or >above) > ko circle bhitra ka haru le ke ko padhe >lekheka haru ko barema >positively sochna ta sikekai hunna ni lina >sakcha ra, sikeko bhe >pani sab brain bata drain bhai sakyo --jata >sukai bata fail hunda hunda--- > >They were failed in all corners of life, >thats why they >are dishwashers (those with 12th grade or >Bachelor education), >and how can you expect postive attitude from >them. >They will be rather having fun on others >looking themselves on mirror >and extrapolating all the peoples in the >world are extactly look like themselves. >They were over-run by frustrations, and it >is natural to find their >postings negative, sarcastic, and full of >vomit. > >God Bless them. >hGxP |
| Haho fan | Posted
on 19-Apr-02 01:25 AM
Guru Ji lecturing about being optimistic and taking things positively in such a pessimistic and negative tone is perfect example of contradiction and shows how pessimistic and negative is he. This is like saying "Sale Gadha Jatha Chikne haru malai gali garcha, - lowclass uneducated vastards" Ki kaso |
| Makuro | Posted
on 19-Apr-02 11:33 AM
Hahooguru, My image of you being mature voice(I was really impressed with your suggestion of what gift (s) to take home Nepal ) in this room was purged by your recent diatribe. You chastised us for not reading the whole comments before making 'negative' comments. You failed to practice what you preached sir. Even though I was fundamentally supporting you, you made no haste in calling everybody who has reponsded to your thread ‘pathetic’. If you list the name of the persons, the burden of proof lies in your shoulder to provide in what ways they are accomplished. You failed to do so. Right after your posting, cyberpal wrote: << "Neplese who spent a lot of time in school!!!" unless you can give me specific accomplishments. Going to school and getting a degree and a job afterwards is not really an accomplishment>>> Did you read the line “…unless you can give me specific accomplishments” in his postings. Instead of letting us know their contribution, you went on saying you are not their biographer. You went on saying dishwasher, 12 grade qualificaion and all… I wonder, how come a man of your stature who has PH.D and who is writing a book( didn’t you say in one of your posting that you submitted your book to publisher?) , who looks older than my father can go so low in attacking people who just disagreed with you. If not the education, atleast the age should have made you wiser! Borrowing your parlance..akhir tapai Nepali ta parnu vayo ni….tetro padera, desh bides ghumera…kukur ko puchar bango vane jastai….. Your vitriol itself undermines your main argument. We may be dishwasher, we may not even have 12 grade education, and yes yes unlike you, in life we may never have seen any success! Then naturally question arises, why do you care for what we say? Why do you seem to need our validation? My master saeb in seventh grade used to recite one poem by Lekh Nath Poudel: "Choto bade pachi vari furti dekhaucha! Hera tyo khahare kholo kati ko gad-gadaucha!" |
| rebelious sevendust | Posted
on 19-Apr-02 04:58 PM
guru Ji You still haven't answered my question. why did they make the top ten list. |
| Parakhi | Posted
on 19-Apr-02 05:26 PM
I know Guruji's list of top ten nepalese in japan is real. They must be reknown in Japan in their field which we don't know anything about them. Without further explanation it's not more than my list for accomplished nepalese in US. Ki kaso? |
| suna | Posted
on 20-Apr-02 07:03 AM
wow! makuro. Finally someone who thinks along my lines and repeats what I've been saying about our oh-so-mighty educated thula badha haru!! One more addition: Lato ko desh ma gadhu tanneri!!! A few Nepali Ph.d. wallas and some masters and masternis might be thrilled with their degrees (and they should be to an extent) but GONE are the days when we used to count such degree holders and look up to them in awe. There are PLENTY of those floating around these days. So Hahoo guru ji, please come off that high horse. |
| ThirdEye | Posted
on 20-Apr-02 01:24 PM
Guru ji was right, if he would have said "Personal Achievment of Some Nepalis" in Japan or (....). There is no doubt that the people guru ji listed got Personal Achievment as per their priority, philosohpy of life, and all other relative things. BUT, just having PHD, MD and Money is not EVEN de-facto standard for measuring ACHIEVMENT of people in reference to society or community. If we still say for PHD, MD, Millionaire, a most achieved Nepalis , we are still suffering from 10000 years back mentality- you know what I am refering to. I think every profession/title a person holds is equally able to be said as ACHIVEMENT. In my sourounding I have following scenarios: Senario#1: Mr Scot, a friend of mine holds Master degree with GPA 3.96/4.0 in a Geo Physics, but now he has been woring as Bar Tender since he voluntarily left job as a Geologist, and he thinks life is more joyful now. Guru ji, it is all about philosophy, priority and dynamic of life.he does not think he is LESS achievable person now. Senario#2: Mr Sudhir and Mr Jaya , relative bro of mine from Nepal hold Master degree in Computer Science. Due to ressesion in US, they did not find job in their 1 years' practical training, and now started PHD programs. Guru ji, it is all about philoshophy, relativeness, and dynamic of life. Guri ji, even they are popular in Japan with their PHDs and MDs, Personal Achievment is not LICENCE to say "most achieved Nepalis". See, I secured Master degree in Electrical Engineering (GPA 3.89/4.0) 10 yrs back and later started business and now I own 4 Motels and 6 Apartment Complex in US(more than 25 million business). Who cares what I have?? At most, I only want to say this is my Personal Achievment for which I worked hard, and that was driven by my philosophy, some relative situation, and dynamic of life. I do not want to go 10000 years back in era of MANU who classified hierarchy of work. His vision was already failed 5000 years back. Everyone is achieved one- even a ROBERT ShoeMaker who has a shoe making business near one of my Apartment Complex . |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 09-May-03 08:09 AM
Hi! ओहो मित्रहरु यो थ्रेड लाई फर्केर हेर्दा खुबै रमाईलो लाग्यो मलाई त। HG(guru@hahoo.net) Typed in GyaNeX® UniqWare |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 09-May-03 08:22 AM
ओहो मित्रहरु यो थ्रेड लाई फर्केर हेर्दा खुबै रमाईलो लाग्यो मलाई त। यस थ्रेडको विशेषता चै हाम्रा मित्रहरु अरुको Achievement लाई यदि आफु संग छैन भने कसरी सजिलो संग Reject +Hue&Cry गर्छन त भन्ने कुराको Proof होई र? HG(guru@hahoo.net) Typed in GyaNeX® UniqWare |
| czar | Posted
on 09-May-03 10:51 AM
HHG classification of Primates is based on academic achievement. It thus states, that anyone who has a: PHD is a thinking, creative human being that has deserves adoration and praise, Gods own creation, allowed complete and wanton breeding prieveleges. The world is their oyster. Masters Degree is a second class human being but hasnt quite made the grade though, not allowed anything more than a VW Passat, no more. Limited breeding priveleges. Bachelors Degree fellows are barely human, questionable neurological activity, mainly useful as support group, are allowed to assist those with Masters in completing tasks as set out by the Almighty PHD wallahs, dont qualify for air-conditioning or anything else above Toyota corollas (no air-con allowed though). No breeding priveleges Grade 12 and below no brainer/non humans, useful for dishwashing, mopping, and other manual labor. This lot doesnt qualify for heat in winter either, not allowed to possess anything more than a bicycle as they cant be trusted with anything more sophisticated. Full breeding prieveleges allowed (they're animals, whaddya expect?) to maintain sufficient hedge cutters, aforementioned dishwashers etc. Prolific breeding habits may put too much of a strain on the resources rightfully belonging to the Superhuman PHD wallahs Planet of the Apes...er PHD's |
| czar | Posted
on 09-May-03 10:54 AM
GRONK ! |
| vivid | Posted
on 09-May-03 11:24 AM
Czar ji, I salute your witticism! But, still.... What about the P.D.s ni? Shoot them if you have any. GRONK! GRONK! |
| czar | Posted
on 09-May-03 11:47 AM
Hmm... post doctoral fellers ? They be deities ! Addendum to HHG's Law of Primates: In order to maintain optimum resource utilization and energy distribution, the following are to be applied Bachelor's degree holders - euthanised at 40 Grade 12 and less - euthanised at 30 The rage for 'organic' buttons needs a supply, no ? |
| acharya | Posted
on 09-May-03 01:40 PM
hahoo guru, I don't see your Nepali letters. I just see thick black lines..and yeah..the green english letters that say Gyanex ware etc... What do i need to have to be able to view your nepalese letters? |
| AX | Posted
on 09-May-03 01:44 PM
HG as a PhD holder yourself, which number on the list are you? |
| prashant | Posted
on 09-May-03 02:06 PM
Makuro, i totally agree with you....and i wonder how this self proclaimed guru assumed that who didn't agree with him don't hold any academic degree or haven't accomplished anything or contributed to the society..... and i want to add one more line of that poem.... Faleko brikschya ko hango nihurinchha nirantara |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 09-May-03 04:18 PM
AX, HG is not on the list. He is not great guy, just because he has PHD. Those who are in list have done some commendable jobs in Japan as a Nepali. Its very shamful to read the way others make comments before knowing or asking what is the ground putting them in the list. They, as many Nepali high school student leaders (Oh, they call college student in Nepal) make guess and sarcastic comments just by looking at the name, and CZAR, Preshant and others suffer the same syndrome. Shame on you guys. You first ask the question why are they in the list, but, just don't chase with the name. I am not sure whether you know any Nepali in japan outside your family or relatives or personal friends staying here. I did not draw the name just to amuse you, but, I surely watched them for last 11 years. You guys suffer inferiority complex and vomit the venom when you see the list. God bless you. Acharya, you need to have at least one Unicode font installed in your computer. If you can not see it means, your MS Window does not have unicode fonts, those who have MS Windows XP version, the Arial Unicode MS font comes bundled with Windows. Previous versions need to have a separate download. HG |
| acharya | Posted
on 09-May-03 05:29 PM
Where and how can I down load it? My OS is windows ME. |
| intruder | Posted
on 09-May-03 06:56 PM
Most accomplishment Nepali, His Majesty the King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev, for his gutsy attempt to restore peace in the country. Intruder, PHd |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 09-May-03 07:04 PM
I guess that SidhiUni was developed by Unlimited Software of Allen Tuladhar. I heard they are Microsoft certified agent in Nepal. Last time I clicked on SidhiUni font, the Unlimited Software's name appeared on the company's name producing the font. SidhiUni is unicode font. Well, you can also install Arial Unicode Ms, but, I am not sure whether its legally possible to download the Arial Unicode MS font alone without buying the Windows XP. If you have never installed Windows XP by yourself, its terrible, if you wish to borrow from someone and install it. Because it has to be connected to Microsoft 's official agent either by Tel or by internet, thus, its registered to Microsoft. And, you know one software one computer policy, if you don't have multiple user license. There can chances or tracking your use in your log file, at least we commoner don't know how they track our software installation records. Well, I heard a company in Japan used to install same copy of a software to multiple users, when caught was asked to pay few million dollars as compensation to AUTODesk corp(?). Windows XP and Office XP are really very stable, but, the way you have to register them to Microsoft is really annoying and possiblity of getting hacked by Microsoft is very high. ... Anyway, risk is your choice. I don't promote installing copyrighted software outside owner's computer, at least the XP annexed softwares from windows. In that case, try other unicode fonts that are freely available in internet. You must make sure that the downloaded unicode font should be either complete set of 64K characters, or it should include the Devnagari section of Unicode. I wonder how much you understand technical jargon related to Unicode. Just one line explanation: one complete set of a Unicode font file has 64,000 characters, that means you can read Chinese to Japanese to Korean and most of the world's leading characters just in one font file. In that big table, Devanagari characters occupy between 2300 to 2450 (around). First 1-to-128 position is occupied by conventional ascii characters. Unfortunately, Chinese (mainland and Taiwan), Japanese, and Korean occpy almost half of the total 64k characters (around 30000 goes to East Asia). It is unfair and costly. This is how Chinese, Jap. and Korean rule the Font world and your computer's memory and storage. Because of their occupation in Unicode FONT World, I wonder whether Nepal can find a position for "Newari Lipi" = Nepal Bhasha in general section of Unicode Font Table. Sorry to be long. This much for today. HG |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 09-May-03 07:07 PM
Those who reply to this thread, first read the title of the thread. Its not about most accomplished Nepalis in the world or in USA or in Nepal, but, its exclusively in Japan. If you don'T know any Nepali in Japan, don't babble around here. If you have disagreements and rejections let me know replacements. Plain jealousy is not wanted here. Don't vomit your venom against someone's achievements. Read the title first: MostAccomplished Nepalis in Japan |
| intruder | Posted
on 09-May-03 07:23 PM
Most accomplishment Nepali, Mr Cheese Bahadur Singh, for winning the very famous cheese crafting contest recently held in the dairy state of Wisconsin. Yes he plans to get his PHd in dairy product ...someday. |
| acharya | Posted
on 10-May-03 03:02 AM
HG, I am in US and not in Nepal; where do i get it here? And, forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does unicode mean ? |
| HahooGuru | Posted
on 10-May-03 07:15 AM
Unicode: What is this? In 1984, I was very suprised to see the computer that my brother was using at his office. The printer head of the printer that printed data was very interesting to me because it was in dot dot ....and he explained me how that 9 (?) pinned printer head prints the texts. The dots were clearly visible. Next time, I reached to my undergrad. university in India (now, turned to be an IIT), I was surprised to see the punching card. Then, I saw Lotus 1-2-3 and then, highquality printer. I gradually came to know few fonts: courier, and times + helvetica .... I saw Adds in Lotus 1-2-3. When I returned to Nepal after undergrad, I was further puzzled by friend of mine who showed me the laser printer with courier fonts. In AIT, Bangkok I saw Lotus manuscript, but, had to spent a lot time to write or find symbols and equations. I saw PostScript printer and postScript fonts. Well, I saw Thai fonts in computer and also saw Japanese characters in Jap. computers. Laser Printer was accessible only after special permission of a Sri Lankan Play Boy like Teacher who used to be kind to girls, but, was not so kind to male students. Well, I then moved to Japan. I saw here japanese computer, terribly occupied by dumb NEC computers with Japanese DOS, that could not read 1.4MB floppy diskettes. Then, my Guru ji asked me what kind computer do you like to buy for your research. I selected Macintosh for my desk work. I got it and wow, I was able to find many nice TTF fonts. true type fonts including PostScript Printer. Gradually, I saw MS Windows 3.1 . I saw many japanese fonts. and a font list in MS Word made for Macintosh. Later I got list of various fonts and a Nepali TTF font. Well, we used that font to write new years greetings and fun use. Unfortunately, the fonts were trouble maker whenever the data was passed in internet. When I started reading news and other items posted in internet in Nepali fonts, we could not read them, because we needed the particular font. So, there needs to separate font for separate language. It has become terrible when we have to post things that have several languages in one page or one document file. Everything looked a cluster of corrupted text in random english characters. Probably the program/software developers and writers, realized this problem long time back, and they wanted to put all characters around the world in one table in one file, so that necessity of downloading and identifying type of font associated with the corrupted looking cluster is avoided. The idea of Unicode is based on unified character tabling, such that 64,000 characters can be put in one file, in opposite to the ASCII table where we can have just 128 characters, and in extended character table of 256 characters. without Unicode, TTF represents only those 256 characters, and if the things were written based on Preeti font, and if our computer does not have Preeti.TTF, then we will find corrupted cluster of characters, because it is shown by another font, may be in Times Roman.TTF. So, original ascii had only 128, 1 byte characters, while the extended table has 256 characters that means FF (16X16)in Hexadecimal codes (2byte?) . So, it has table of 16 rows and 16 columns. In Unicode, you have 256 rows and 256 columns, i.e. about 64,000 elements in the table (256x256 = four bytes: FF x FF), that can accomodate 640000 characters. Thus, all major languages can find space. It can accomodate all 64K characters in font file, but, you might be wondering how can you create 64K characters with keyboard of about 100 keys, that is even less than good enough for original ASCII 128 characters. Thats why they call it GLYPHS to unicode font set. In that table, we need a program that can convert the 4codes hexacodes into character it represents in that 256x 256 table. In that table 0901 is starting point for Devanari characters, and in HTML code if you write &2325; it represents Ka, and in Unicode escape mode \ u 0915 . How to get that 2325, math is here: 0 x (16x16x16) + 9 x(16x16) + 1 x 16 + 5 . You can find the Hexacodes at http://www.unicode.org/ So, we need to have translator i.e. asdf;lkj should mean Ba-Ka-Ma-T-Na.... This is different from conventional Preeti font, where A-S-D-F was directly converted to BaKAMaANa via Preeti.TTF, but, in Unicode, we have to tell the position of characters we typed as Nepali, in unicode table, so that it does not have to find separte font, but, its correct position in the table. So, Unicode is like a table of different languages where conventional fonts were put in that table bundled/zipped in a single file. I hope it works. I am not a professional in computer science, so my posting is what I had perceived as a common public who learned for his own use. HG |
| raru | Posted
on 10-May-03 11:24 AM
HahooGuru AKA (Dr. Gyaneswor Pokharel) Ji, As I found info. related to you, you also deserved to list in "the Most Accomplished Nepali's in Japan". Cheers HahooGuru, love to see more achievement and discovery by U and all fellow Nepali. Congrat.. :) Related source which proof HahooGuru to be promote on that list: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AIT Alumni Information (ID 19910197) http://www.asdu.ait.ac.th/Alumni/alumniById.cfm?AlumniID=19910197 E-Nepal.org Founder http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/1994/ Saral Nepali KeyBoard [Gyanex (c)] http://www.geocities.com/NepaliKeyBoard/ |